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Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Post by PedroBatista »

figassis wrote: post #38
PedroBatista wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A large chunk of Portugals economy is powered by Angola. What do you mean by "large"? perhaps the circles that YOU frequent are powered by them.

You seem bitter. Time for some reading: - https://www.politico.eu/article/angola-portugal-investment-e... - https://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/16/are-portuguese-banks-too-exp... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel_dos_Santos#Investments_... - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/world/europe/angola-portu...

You seem confused.

GDP is $257.391 billion, again what "large" part of the Portuguese economy is powered by Angola? Again, what do you mean by "large"?

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Post by baybal2 »

wczekalski wrote: post #37
estaseuropano wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Germany's BND was caught doing basically the same as Portugal, in exchange for some dubious "intelligence collaboration," but they found scapegoat: https://www.dw.com/en/trial-opens-against-german-intelligenc ... I was taking your claims somewhat seriously until you massively misrepresented the very case for which you even provide an article. Now I guess all of what you are saying is either massive misrepresentatio…

The one about Poland is false too. Comments like this without sources are useless

Well, not citizens, but ethnic Poles https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-poland-race-and-et...

https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/05/20/concern-over-four-eth...

https://www.ft.com/content/cfc93283-32b9-4fa7-a769-44df294e7...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54090389

The information on betrayed weapon transfer comes from Telegram channels of Belarus opposition I frequent. I, on record, wrote about it 2 months ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26887403 Now it became clear for what Poland sold them out for.

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Post by icebraining »

varjag wrote: post #27
victormeriqui wrote: post #15

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It wasn't to anyone that asked, the city hall sent it willingly to any embassy "relevant" to the protest in context I don't think it was a case of pandering to economically important regimes, it was more like disgusting and malicious incompetence, like most things that come out of the public sector in Lisbon with this government

People who are born free and live all their lives in free societies sometimes have certain sensibility atrophied. The concept of authoritarian states to them is as far fetched as non carbon-based life.

I think the problem in Portugal is the opposite; the authoritarian regime was taken down in '74, but entirely too many people still have that mindset, even if they disagree on who should be the authority.

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Post by toomanybeersies »

Ekaros wrote: post #17
foliveira wrote: post #12

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There was no request (afaik) done by any of the involved parties. By law, if you’re planning a rally/event/etc you have to make a request to your local mayorship, who then approves it (or not) while informing the police about it, so that security details can be planned. Since the rallies in question involved displays related to certain countries or were held in front of embassies (like the one supporting Navalny, whi…

Sounds entirely reasonable and sane process. You have to allow these foreign embassies to prepare against potential terrorist activities. In some case when known anti-government terrorist forces are identified they have good reason to increase preparedness.

Attacks on diplomatic missions in developed countries are uncommon [1], and usually not connected with protests or rallies.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_diplomatic_...

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Post by foliveira »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #24
foliveira wrote: post #12

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There was no request (afaik) done by any of the involved parties. By law, if you’re planning a rally/event/etc you have to make a request to your local mayorship, who then approves it (or not) while informing the police about it, so that security details can be planned. Since the rallies in question involved displays related to certain countries or were held in front of embassies (like the one supporting Navalny, whi…

> were held in front of embassies Fine. But Correia's "protest was held on the Largo de Camões, which is nowhere near the Chinese embassy," so that doesn't apply. > related to certain countries Sorry, this doesn't follow. If I show up for a Tiananmen massacre vigil in New York, Gracie Mansion doesn't and doesn't need to notify the Chinese embassy.

> that doesn’t apply

I did add an OR in the sentence you quote; exactly because of the example you shared and another on in support of the Palestinian cause held in front of a concert hall just before a Brazilian singer concert, that would go on tour to Israel after.

As for your second point, I totally agree with your point. My previous comment isn’t supposed to show any agreement with the episodes, but just a factual showing of what happened, and how this has been general malpractice rather than some shady intelligence underground operation.

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Post by [deleted] »

baybal2 wrote: post #42
wczekalski wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one about Poland is false too. Comments like this without sources are useless

Well, not citizens, but ethnic Poles https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-poland-race-and-et... https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/05/20/concern-over-four-eth... https://www.ft.com/content/cfc93283-32b9-4fa7-a769-44df294e7... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54090389 The information on betrayed weapon transfer comes from Telegram channels of Belarus opposition I frequent. I, on record, wrote about it 2 months…

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Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Post by sigmoid10 »

estaseuropano wrote: post #34
baybal2 wrote: post #20

Well, Lisbon is not only one, but pretty much all of progressive liberal West been in bed with enemies at some point for "strategic" reasons (which usually means cash, and other treats.) France deports Russians with protected refugee status upon KGB requests in exchange for Russia staying away from them in Africa Poland plays double games with Belorussian opposition, promising assisting in smuggling weapons, and then…

> Germany's BND was caught doing basically the same as Portugal, in exchange for some dubious "intelligence collaboration," but they found scapegoat: https://www.dw.com/en/trial-opens-against-german-intelligenc ... I was taking your claims somewhat seriously until you massively misrepresented the very case for which you even provide an article. Now I guess all of what you are saying is either massive misrepresentatio…

The one about Austria also borders between plain false and gross misrepresentation of reality.

Re: Lisbon has shared dissident info with repressive regimes for years

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Post by xeeeeeeeeeeenu »

baybal2 wrote: post #42
wczekalski wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one about Poland is false too. Comments like this without sources are useless

Well, not citizens, but ethnic Poles https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-poland-race-and-et... https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/05/20/concern-over-four-eth... https://www.ft.com/content/cfc93283-32b9-4fa7-a769-44df294e7... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54090389 The information on betrayed weapon transfer comes from Telegram channels of Belarus opposition I frequent. I, on record, wrote about it 2 months…

Nothing in your links supports your claims. The articles don't say anything about the supposed prisoner exchange.
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