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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

#41
There’s something hyper draconian about a billionaire CEO demanding everyone return to the office so he can see their faces.

Apple execs have enriched themselves by capturing way more profit than regular employees (Apple engineering pay is average/low average).

This is overstepping. Not only will any company that insists on a return to the office lose employees, they’re also loudly signaling their disdain and it’s going to have long term repercussions company and industry wide.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

#42

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I wish all the covid vaccine protocols were applied to other diseases we have vaccines for. Measles is a million times more infectious.

Everyone where I live gets the MMR vaccine in grade school.

I also don’t live in Brooklyn, but some people do

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

#43

Fine, but if any company makes me wear a mask for 8 hours, I am out of there. Work remotely or come to a normal office sure.

It's a religion now, and an important part of testing your adherence is going to be seeing whether you're willing to wear a mask all day at work, tell others how important it is, and cluck and shake your head at the unenlightened (anti-maskers) that disagree with you.

I understand this will be perceived as a troll post, but this as absolutely the setup I am seeing.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

#44
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We ask our kids to do it when they go to school. It doesn't seem fair if we're unwilling to do the same.

We should stop kids from wearing the masks. The covid risk for the kids are miniscule and masks do not stop covid anyway.

Factually incorrect - both statements.

Minuscule (if we just take it at face value) is not the same as none. If a kid dies then there is a risk. Plus it depends on what I consider to be high risk. If a kid dies from preventable causes then for me that’s high risk environment.

Kids also spread the disease even we ignore the risk for them. So that means that it’s an increase of the risk for everyone else. Kids also interact with their grandparents in a lot of cultures quite frequently which is the highest risk group.

Mask decrease the probability of spreading or contracting COVID.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

#45

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We ask our kids to do it when they go to school. It doesn't seem fair if we're unwilling to do the same.

School, and the socialization that occurs there, is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Work is generally just work, it's not like your personal development suffers if you skip it.

you seem to be overestimating school both in general and its social aspect.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

#47
Perfectly reasonable given the office space and campus perks to stuff all the time wasting meetings into the 3 days of lowered productivity meatspace time, and crunch real work out on Wed/Fri. I’m hoping my organization does the same hybrid setup. I’ve spent enough time and money on my home office setup that it gives a shiny new office building a run for its money.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

#48

Why? Because of the already sunk cost into office space? Any other reasons? I know I can drive 40 min and stare at the same laptop and email/zoom with the same people. What’s in it for me? All I see is unnecessary agony, and a lot of it. I produce more from home. Why does an employer want me to suffer more, even if it will cost them? What’s in it for them?

There is a lot of stuff you can do better in person especially with the secrecy behind everything like in apples case. For Grunt work you are totally right.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

#49
I’d rather just go in five days, although I definitely prefer completely remote forever.

For me, it’s about context switching and having a work/non-work routine. Having to wake up at different times, do meals differently, schedule childcare differently through the week is actually harder than just doing the same thing all five days.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

#50

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Because unvaccinated people can contract and spread COVID?

So can vaccinated people.

Sure, but the probability of that happening is much, much lower, to the point of it being not worth protecting against, for the most part.
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