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Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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My guess is that people of certain political leanings have seen multiple stories "fact-checked" by Facebook/Twitter/Google as false and suppressed turn out to be true or partially true months down the line. These people are relieved to see another government, any government, give twitter/facebook/google "what's coming to it"

> people of certain political leanings have seen multiple stories "fact-checked" by Facebook/Twitter/Google as false and suppressed turn out to be true or partially true months down the line. Nothing is perfect, but what are you referring to specifically?

Politifact and COVID origin

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is that people of certain political leanings have seen multiple stories "fact-checked" by Facebook/Twitter/Google as false and suppressed turn out to be true or partially true months down the line. These people are relieved to see another government, any government, give twitter/facebook/google "what's coming to it"

> people of certain political leanings have seen multiple stories "fact-checked" by Facebook/Twitter/Google as false and suppressed turn out to be true or partially true months down the line. Nothing is perfect, but what are you referring to specifically?

The Hunter Biden laptop story comes to mind. Twitter was even blocking DMs with a link to the story, but it turned out that what was in it was true, even if it was inconsequential. I also remember seeing a Facebook ad that had a video of Biden saying he was going to end fracking, but since his campaign's official stance was that they weren't going end it, the ad was removed for false information.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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How many police are required to deliver a letter? Why not mail it or email it? How about using attorneys?

In the United States legal notice MUST be delivered in person. It cannot be done over mail or email. I'd expect india is similar.

You can absolutely deliver it via mail (some states require that), or have a process server leave it with their legal department.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_4#rule_4_c_3_C

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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>> The ruling party released a fake document > It very well might be(not that I know about this), but how did Twitter figure this out? As far as I understand, there has been accusations from both sides without proof. The article answers your question: A prominent fact-checking organization examined the document. You can then question the fact-checking organization, and eventually nobody can say anything. Should gover…

I read through it and it says part of the document has been admitted to be true. > You can then question the fact-checking organization, and eventually nobody can say anything. If I am a citizen of the said country, is a private fact checking organisation answerable to me? I am not saying they are lying, but what are the checks and balances on them. > Should government be the arbiter of truth? About it's own politica…

I find your stance slightly bizarre. You don't trust twitter to be the arbiter of truth (which is fair), but you think the Indian government which is widely credited to be falsifying data (I can point you to sources on this, I even personally know a journalist there) will be held accountable to its people?

Sure, it'd be nice to hold your government accountable. But when your ruler is effectively a tyrant in a government that is laughably calling itself a democracy, I'd rather have twitter provide its own opinion as well. Because at the end of the day you as the reader can still decide to ignore twitter's judgment and just read the document as you could before. It's additional information, not censorship - whereas the government wants to limit information.

Nobody is forcing you to trust twitter any more than they're forcing you to trust the government. You can ignore twitter's label and still try to hold the Indian government accountable - it's a non sequitur.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people of certain political leanings have seen multiple stories "fact-checked" by Facebook/Twitter/Google as false and suppressed turn out to be true or partially true months down the line. Nothing is perfect, but what are you referring to specifically?

The Hunter Biden laptop story comes to mind. Twitter was even blocking DMs with a link to the story, but it turned out that what was in it was true, even if it was inconsequential. I also remember seeing a Facebook ad that had a video of Biden saying he was going to end fracking, but since his campaign's official stance was that they weren't going end it, the ad was removed for false information.

Can you provide some basis for saying it's true? That is not my understanding, but I'm always interested in learning more.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

#46

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> people of certain political leanings have seen multiple stories "fact-checked" by Facebook/Twitter/Google as false and suppressed turn out to be true or partially true months down the line. Nothing is perfect, but what are you referring to specifically?

Politifact and COVID origin

Any basis for this? The origin is unknown, afaik.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

#48

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>> The ruling party released a fake document > It very well might be(not that I know about this), but how did Twitter figure this out? As far as I understand, there has been accusations from both sides without proof. The article answers your question: A prominent fact-checking organization examined the document. You can then question the fact-checking organization, and eventually nobody can say anything. Should gover…

I read through it and it says part of the document has been admitted to be true. > You can then question the fact-checking organization, and eventually nobody can say anything. If I am a citizen of the said country, is a private fact checking organisation answerable to me? I am not saying they are lying, but what are the checks and balances on them. > Should government be the arbiter of truth? About it's own politica…

> I read through it and it says part of the document has been admitted to be true.

I don't understand: You asked whether Twitter had any basis for marking it false. I said the basis was (at least in part) a major fact-checking organization. I'm not sure how the above is a response to that. Also, can you provide some basis to your claim? Every lie is partly true; someone who says things that are 'partly true' is a liar.

>> Should government be the arbiter of truth? About it's own political candidates?

> Elected governments shouldn't be, but isn't this why other arms of the government exist, like judiciary.

I strongly disagree: In democracies the judiciary is not at all there to decide truth. It's there to apply the law, which at times involves finding facts of specific situations before it, and then only to a degree sufficient to apply the law. For example, the judiciary is not there to decide the facts of climate change. It is there to apply emissions laws, and to find the facts about what someone may be emitting to the degree needed to apply the law.

In a democracy, it is up to citizens - you and I included - to decide what we believe. There is no authority or mechanism that will save you from that challenging duty. Democracy is a solution, in a sense, to the problem of there being no source of truth. It is governemnt of the people, by the people, for the people.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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The ruling party released a fake document, suggesting that the opposition is engaging in subversive activities. It was fact checked by various independent agencies and found to be a fake document. Twitter added a "manipulated media" label to those tweets. Delhi police, which is directly controlled by the Indian government raided the office of Twitter. It is not done with the intention of finding anything. It is to ha…

What is up with the comments in this thread? How are people seeing this as the Indian government taking a stand against censorship or whatever? The same government is upset that Twitter reinstated several accounts critical of the administration.

In general, Indians living abroad are highly supportive of the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Not his party, or his government, or his policies ... just him personally. Hacker News contains many such people. They are responsible for the bizarre comments you've read on this thread.

On a related note, this thread will soon be flagged, like all threads that are even mildly, indirectly critical of Narendra Modi. Enjoy the thread while it's up.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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The ruling party released a fake document, suggesting that the opposition is engaging in subversive activities. It was fact checked by various independent agencies and found to be a fake document. Twitter added a "manipulated media" label to those tweets. Delhi police, which is directly controlled by the Indian government raided the office of Twitter. It is not done with the intention of finding anything. It is to ha…

Maybe Twitter shouldn't get in the middle of these types of things.

If Twitter just shows everyone all Tweets, people'd quickly get overwhelmed, and a few very active Twitter users would drown out all the rest. So they add an algorithm that tries to determine which Tweets a user is most likely to want to see - now they're in the middle, deciding what someone sees.
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