Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.
China increases spending 500% to influence America
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#42https://www.axios.com/senate-china-bill-474f96f1-467b-4c02-a...
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#43Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.
Meanwhile, advertising is an industry that rivals energy, shipping and such. If that's not markt proof of efficacy, IDK what is. From the advertiser side of the advertiser-consumer relationship, there's no doubt of efficacy. You open an online business. No one shows up. You advertise. People show up. Profitable or not, the causality is plain.
Consumers only notice that ads piss them off. Advertisers only notice that ads make consumers do stuff, and both think the other is dumb.
Believing that Chinese propaganda is ineffective is naive. It's a carrot and stick system locally. Internationally it's just carrot, but carrot removal is a lot like the stick.
When Deng he decided to liberalize the Chinese market, he had some saying about the danger of letting flies in when you open a window for fresh air. Fresh air meant the economics. Flies meant cultural-political influences. Mcdonalds, yes. Youtube, no.
Now the tables are turned. US media, entertainment and sports companies want into China for its market size and growth potential. They enter on China's terms, and those terms are always unstated. Increasingly, they relate to stuff entirely outside China. Favoured companies will succeed, misbehavors will not and we will rarely be able to say exactly where "propaganda" is at play.
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#45Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.
Indian propaganda is similar (I'm more familiar with it, being Indian). You can see the parallels in how both talk about their hated minorities (Uyghurs and Kashmiris/Muslims) My favorite was a recent Twitter account with a teenage profile picture, she/they pronouns, BLM, proud feminist, and TRUMP2020 all in the bio, and all it did was claim that Uyghurs are really being educated and that the decline in birth rates a…
Last I checked Indian govt is not holding minority in reeducation camps or removing every trace of cultural heritage.
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#46Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.
Honestly, they could do so much by letting some of Chinese TikTok out on to the international side. I've seen quite a few reposts on Twitter and Reddit from Douyin that are completely inaccessible directly, and if they were actually trying to get people to like them they have a giant bank of content that they could curate to show whatever they wanted.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indian propaganda is similar (I'm more familiar with it, being Indian). You can see the parallels in how both talk about their hated minorities (Uyghurs and Kashmiris/Muslims) My favorite was a recent Twitter account with a teenage profile picture, she/they pronouns, BLM, proud feminist, and TRUMP2020 all in the bio, and all it did was claim that Uyghurs are really being educated and that the decline in birth rates a…
Do you happen to remember a Twitter handle? I bet one could use a single one of them to discover a whole network of these.
https://twitter.com/Weed1_ch (mostly retweets, tweets are usually quote tweets with one word like "Xinjiang?" attached)
When this account actually comments, it barely makes sense:
https://twitter.com/Weed1_ch/status/1393091998589071360
And this strange Palestinian liberation + Uyghur genocide denial is hallmark of China (who has to straddle both positions due to the geopolitics of opposing the US).
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you think are examples of Chinese propaganda? If it was good, I don't think we'd be able to tell.
I agree that good propaganda wouldn't be easily discernable as propaganda. I'm skeptical that the same organizations that run the shitty Twitter fake accounts can simultaneously run actually effective programs. It'd be like Apple simultaneously being Apple and also running a shitty Etsy storefront that sells amateurish coffee cozies.
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#49Well it appears to be working, so they'd be foolish to not invest more. We've currently got a major political divide over whether a pandemic was something to take seriously, expressed as a rejection of a common sense mitigation for respiratory virii. The "stop the steal" big lie is continuing ("AZ voter database has been erased"), with the Republican leadership continuing to fall in line behind dear leader. FOX news…
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#50Trump starts "trade war" with China. Chinese virus matching weapons project funded by Fauci himself hits America. Only cure for said virus is destoy USA economy and all its freedoms. Hmmm
No no no. Fauci is working with Gates, the Reptilians, and the child molesting secret society pizza eaters to implant micro chips in people to convince them that birds are real.