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There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

#41
Please don’t look at 7m-13m number and compare it to 7 billion population and say oh it’s only 0.1-0.2%.

Pretty much ever country has seen a 15-20% increase in excess mortality rates (20% more people dying than averages in the past), this is huge.

This is one of the best up to date visualizations on this topic, scroll down and see breakdowns by country - https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386...

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

#42
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is excess mortality, as in “above what would be expected in a normal year based on demographics”. So, if looking at historical trends and the current demographics as compared with those trends we had a prior expectation of your 1%, then what we we actually observed is 1.17%.

Yeah, I get that. I guess I just mean that the worst pandemic of the last 100 years and (so far) it's maybe 17% deaths over the baseline. That feels kinda low.

An extra death for every 6 deaths seems pretty substantial to me, especially considering the skewed morbidity across age groups.

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

#43
If you're talking about a 7 billion population, the deaths of which will vary from year to year, this seems like a number in the noise range which would be very hard to distinguish from background variation.

If everyone of the 7b people lived 100 years, we would expect about 70 million deaths a year, and we know they don't live 100 years on average. Any reasonable range of assumptions puts this in the range of too-small-to-detect. Which doesn't mean it doesn't matter or isn't important, but it does mean that this is not a good method for estimating it.

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is excess mortality, as in “above what would be expected in a normal year based on demographics”. So, if looking at historical trends and the current demographics as compared with those trends we had a prior expectation of your 1%, then what we we actually observed is 1.17%.

Yeah, I get that. I guess I just mean that the worst pandemic of the last 100 years and (so far) it's maybe 17% deaths over the baseline. That feels kinda low.

17% increase seems kind of big, no?

If plane crashes increased 17% in a single year, it would be bit. If cancer deaths increased 17% in a year, it would be pretty remarkable.

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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The earth’s population is 7.9b, so the excess deaths are 0.1% of the population. COVID’s mortality rate is about 0.5%, so roughly 1/5 of the population has has had it (or died of other related things, like starvation in developing countries due to the lockdown stopping food harvests in California). Currently, 1.45b doses of a vaccine have been administered, so about as many people have had the vaccine (partially, at…

COVID mortality rate (deaths / closed cases) is ~2.5%

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 15%/month didn't sound that bad to her This is why when economists talk about consumers acting as rational market participants I just laugh and shake my head. Have they met people?

I think Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky already put the “rational market participant” myth to bed for good.

Definitely, for the consumer. I think the idea that "rational market participant emerges when you get the average of a lot of people (ie. the firm) together to make a decision" still remains alive and well. There is sort of a Darwinian argument there, that in the long-run only the rational market participant remains in business and functioning as a firm.

The import of behavioral econ. definitely remains understated today. I am also interested in philosophical thinkers, like Elizabeth Anderson or Michael Sandel, that take questions like these and explore the implications that they might have for how we ought to structure society.

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

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post #11

The earth’s population is 7.9b, so the excess deaths are 0.1% of the population. COVID’s mortality rate is about 0.5%, so roughly 1/5 of the population has has had it (or died of other related things, like starvation in developing countries due to the lockdown stopping food harvests in California). Currently, 1.45b doses of a vaccine have been administered, so about as many people have had the vaccine (partially, at…

> If not, we’re about 20% done with COVID, world-wide. For exponential processes think of the % done on a log scale. So population of USA is 320M, and ~100M had COVID, or we were 94% (8/8.5) done with it before vaccine was introduced.

Not questioning the numbers but genuinely curious how the exponential math works in this case. Thanks

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

#48

What strikes me is Asia. If I'm reading this right they have relatively low official Covid deaths, but off the charts excess deaths. What's up with that?

The government can hide information easier than it can hide bodies.

Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

#50

I found the counting approach to Covid so far to be rather fascinating. With the flu in the US they guess and present that number, but we're supposed to attach some meaningful value to the Covid positive counts as though that actually represents anywhere near the real number of Covid cases since the outbreak began. It's bullshit, I'm just not sure why the establishment (media, government, censors, etc) stick so tight…

I think those daily numbers are very helpful, because they show the relative change in infections.

And thats a helpful (if not the only one) indicator on whether there will be enough ICU beds one month from now. If not, we should consider lockdowning.

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