As an ex-pro CS player (circa 2003-2007), this is pretty neat. Unfortunately, even though CS might have a fairly deep weapon pool, only a very small subset of weapons are actually used in competition (I'd wager 85+% of gameplay mostly involves the M4, AK, AWP, Deagle, and USP/Glock). Situationally, a few weapons would be interesting to compare (the MAG-7 and Scout come to mind), but the tool isn't particularly useful…
+1 .. came here to say exactly this. While this site is great for finding out what others weapons exist, I don't think any weapons outside of m4, ak, awp are actually used.
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#42As an ex-pro CS player (circa 2003-2007), this is pretty neat. Unfortunately, even though CS might have a fairly deep weapon pool, only a very small subset of weapons are actually used in competition (I'd wager 85+% of gameplay mostly involves the M4, AK, AWP, Deagle, and USP/Glock). Situationally, a few weapons would be interesting to compare (the MAG-7 and Scout come to mind), but the tool isn't particularly useful…
There was that whole period last year where people discovered the SG and AUG were actually quite good, and then Valve nerfed them into the ground again.
Several years ago, the UMP was insanely accurate when tapping/bursting, and it was a great half buy and anti-eco gun. That got nerfed, too. The MP5 behaves somewhat similarly, but it's not really worth buying over the MP9 in a serious match.
There was a recent discovery with the Nova, where the first shot spray was found to be consistent, and you could hit headshots consistently from distance by aiming to the right of the head. That one's pretty fun, although the situations where you'd want that over a deagle seem niche.
I think the biggest missing with this site is that it's only comparing raw DPS/rate of fire numbers and not spread recovery. A big part of it is the "feel" of bursting/tapping guns while momentum cancelling, when in scenarios where you can't full spray.
eg. Clicking on the head with a P250 at medium range isn't super accurate, but if you manage to momentum cancel perfectly and trace, you actually have a pretty decent chance vs full armor. But I could also buy a five seven, which has better armor pen, accuracy, and sprays better.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really don't mind the individual pages and I don't think it really "pollutes" the browser history either. Rather, I think it makes it much easier to link a friend to a specific comparison.
You can do this without spamming history, just replace the state instead of pushing it.
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#44As an ex-pro CS player (circa 2003-2007), this is pretty neat. Unfortunately, even though CS might have a fairly deep weapon pool, only a very small subset of weapons are actually used in competition (I'd wager 85+% of gameplay mostly involves the M4, AK, AWP, Deagle, and USP/Glock). Situationally, a few weapons would be interesting to compare (the MAG-7 and Scout come to mind), but the tool isn't particularly useful…
Agreed. It's a neat site, though! There has been some variation in weapon use in recent years, but I don't know if this site would have really helped in revealing those details. There was that whole period last year where people discovered the SG and AUG were actually quite good, and then Valve nerfed them into the ground again. Several years ago, the UMP was insanely accurate when tapping/bursting, and it was a grea…
To elaborate, they didn't make it into the initial release as there's a substantial amount of work involved to tie that in dynamically with the data (as each shot is inherently dependant on all the shots before it and the time between them when firing multiple rounds).
I understand how much value this would add to the comparisons, so it's a top priority!
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#45Which CS is this? 1.6 or GO?
Global Offensive yeah. It's pretty much taken in both the 1.6 and Source communities at this point (though I'm sure both have some dedicated players remaining).
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. It's a neat site, though! There has been some variation in weapon use in recent years, but I don't know if this site would have really helped in revealing those details. There was that whole period last year where people discovered the SG and AUG were actually quite good, and then Valve nerfed them into the ground again. Several years ago, the UMP was insanely accurate when tapping/bursting, and it was a grea…
Thanks for the feedback; absolutely! Modelling these additional aspects like recoil and accuracy with customisable shot intervals is underway. To elaborate, they didn't make it into the initial release as there's a substantial amount of work involved to tie that in dynamically with the data (as each shot is inherently dependant on all the shots before it and the time between them when firing multiple rounds). I under…
If I perfectly strafe and momentum cancel between every shot with a pistol, how often do I dink an opponent if my crosshair's on their head with a P2K, P250, CZ, and five seven? How different are the recovery periods where I'm strafing before I can tap again?
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
+1 .. came here to say exactly this. While this site is great for finding out what others weapons exist, I don't think any weapons outside of m4, ak, awp are actually used.
I love that nothing has changed since cs 1.6
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#49I love CS. I mean I love the franchise as a whole but the original was such a breath of fresh air in what 2000. The gunplay is so good. It's unfortunate that even today it is impossible to play without hearing 4chan racial slurs for the lulz. Very toxic community.
So, blocking communication is one thing you can do to help send a signal that this player is toxic. I guess eventually they start getting queued in lower trust factor lobbies but that's speculation.
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#50Professional e-sport tournament payouts for Counter-Strike now total nearly $100M; players have everything from huge salaries to sport psychologists, but still no good way of visualising game data. CS Weapons provides information and comparisons on Counter-Strike weapons, featuring real time analysis and calculation of weapon data. Simulations are performed live in the browser and are scenario reactive, dynamically u…
It's cool that you market it as material design and sharable and having a fancy stack... but all I care is whether I get useful info about CS:GO. The ugliest maps programmed for training are more useful imho. The charts don't help me learn anything about the data more than the table, and the stats like RPM or deploy milliseconds mean nothing to me. If you ask CS players how they learn timing, it's usually mouse tappi…
It's very easy to get 'cool' statistics and information, but it's very hard to create something 'cool' or novel that's actually useful for players trying to improve.