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Re: Nobody is joining Google's FLoC

#41

As a website owner, you can opt out by setting the Permissions-Policy header to "interest-cohort=()". I rolled that out for pirsch.io today.

How about sending random awkward cohorts to the browser ? If we are able to make targeted ads to be only about dildos and viagra, maybe we can increase Adblock usage drastically ? (While helping people with real erecting issues as a side effect)

Re: Nobody is joining Google's FLoC

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Holy false equivalence batman. Organ donation is a great good for society, saves lives. Google's FLOC does what exactly?

ad targeting is good for economy and small businesses. Imagine all the wealth created by being able to show people ads they might be interested in seeing

It's not really great for small businesses to get their margin eaten by Google.

Without ads users wouldn't stop using small businesses products. They would just go looking for them in places that aren't as monetized. When they do, the small business will get to keep more of the margin.

Re: Nobody is joining Google's FLoC

#44

Just have it default-off, allow the user to turn it on if they want to be "ad targeted". I mean I keep hearing how, as a consumer, I want this.

I've spoken with more than 1 non-tech person who has said if they're going to see ads, they want them to be at least relevant, targeting nor not.

I've blocked ads for so long that I can't remember the last time I saw one. However, if I had to have them, I think I could tolerate ads that were relevant to the content of the page.

If I'm reading an article about gardening, I could understand seeing an ad or two about gardening tools. It's what my mind is focused on, it's relevant, and it's even potentially something I might want to buy. This doesn't require FLoC, cookies, or any other form of tracking.

What I do not want to happen after reading my gardening article, is to be dogged relentlessly for days with ads for gardening tools on every website I visit, and in apps on my phone. It's creepy, it's irrelevant to what I'm currently focused on, and it's creating a negative impression in my mind about the businesses that are appearing in the ads.

Re: Nobody is joining Google's FLoC

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The idea that FLoC is a more privacy-friendly alternative to third-party cookies is deeply flawed, please read [this]( https://github.com/WICG/floc/issues/100 ).

Thanks. Good thread. Sounds like FloC is definitely more anonymous than third party cookies that are already in use today. There might are some hypothetical situations with FLoC where some information might be able to be inferred given sufficient data, but this is not trivial/direct like it is today.

No, that attack is trivial and direct, that's the problem.

Re: Nobody is joining Google's FLoC

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post #34

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The idea that FLoC is a more privacy-friendly alternative to third-party cookies is deeply flawed, please read [this]( https://github.com/WICG/floc/issues/100 ).

Thanks. Good thread. Sounds like FloC is definitely more anonymous than third party cookies that are already in use today. There might are some hypothetical situations with FLoC where some information might be able to be inferred given sufficient data, but this is not trivial/direct like it is today.

I have my doubts about the "more anonymous" part, mainly because 3p cookies are constrained to a single browser on a single device and can be easily erased or blocked, but your browsing habits that will land you on a certain cohort will remain the same across devices so you could technically be tracked cross-device even if you don't sync your browsing history or cookies (if I am reading right the way FLoC works).

Quick edit: you are certainly right that it will be less direct and more effort than cookies.

Re: Nobody is joining Google's FLoC

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I'm definitely in the minority of commenters on these FLoC threads. I hate that 3rd party cookies exist, and support FLoC if it would hasten the demise of 3rd party cookies. It seems like many consider the alternative to FLoC to be an anonymous web where content can be accessed without login. The migration of content into walled gardens like Instagram seems more likely to me.

Third party cookies are already on the way out, allthough it is going very slowly. But if that is already happening, I see no reason to replace it with something that is going to stay and is only slightly better. Being patient is easier and better, it will be a question of a few years I suppose, instead of, I don't know, forever? :)

Re: Nobody is joining Google's FLoC

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As a consumer, i want targeting features default-off.

As a consumer, I want targeting features default-on, but I also don't mind too much having to turn them on manually.

why do you want them default on?

Re: Nobody is joining Google's FLoC

#49

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Yeah, it's stupid, but the only option we have right now if the user does not disable FLoC in Chrome. We also honor the DNT header btw :)

Chrome users should just run a local proxy that inserts the header for them.

Chrome users should seriously reconsider switching to Firefox. We've created another Internet Explorer.

Re: Nobody is joining Google's FLoC

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I'm definitely in the minority of commenters on these FLoC threads. I hate that 3rd party cookies exist, and support FLoC if it would hasten the demise of 3rd party cookies. It seems like many consider the alternative to FLoC to be an anonymous web where content can be accessed without login. The migration of content into walled gardens like Instagram seems more likely to me.

One of the contenders for replacing 3rd party cookies is The Trade Desk's Unified ID 2.0, which if I understand correctly, would require users to login in everywhere and be tracked in exchange for free content. But it's going to compete with other companies like Google and Facebook for managing users' online identities.
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