Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash

Post by rebelos » Thu, Mar 18, 2021, 10:00 AM UTC

eru wrote: post #33

rebelos wrote: post #20

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Being sexually active is particularly dangerous for heterosexual women. It's nearly impossible to prove a rape case in court. Because of this, there has been some groundswell of support for relaxing the burden of proof in rape cases to a standard that might ultimately permit some false accusations to result in wrongful convictions (a horrifically bad idea that would likely be a Pandora's box imo). If you reduce this…

> If you reduce this down to the fundamental tension: either we have to ask women to become dramatically more vigilant and accept some nonzero risk of rape (more or less what we implicitly do already) OR we have to increase the likelihood of wrongful convictions. There's a third way, but perhaps equally unappetizing: record all interactions.

Post by skissane » Thu, Mar 18, 2021, 10:00 AM UTC

ENGNR wrote: post #23

skissane wrote: post #9

This isn't a serious proposal. It is just a "thought bubble" that the NSW Police Commissioner shared with the media. I reckon he regrets making the suggestion. It appears that nobody thinks it is a good idea except for him. And maybe he's learnt the hard way: nothing wrong with brainstorming and coming up with new ideas, but media interviews are not the right context to do that in.

You’d hope the police commissioner had a better grip on the fundamentals of those crimes though, it’s kind of his job

Post by afarrell » Thu, Mar 18, 2021, 10:02 AM UTC

eru wrote: post #35

afarrell wrote: post #29

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Abstinence is the only answer _with an ironclad guarantee_. Fundamentally, sex requires trust and analog communication over a connection either physical or verbal.

Nope, you can still be falsely accused of almost anything.

Post by cmeacham98 » Thu, Mar 18, 2021, 10:03 AM UTC

rebelos wrote: post #39

cmeacham98 wrote: post #28

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This is true for all forms of crime. No form of evidence is perfect: eyewitness accounts (human memory is terrible), DNA/fingerprinting/similar (mismatches do occur), circumstantial evidence (obviously not hard proof), confessions (people do dumb things in stressful situations, could be coerced), picture/video (becoming increasingly easy to fake, can be taken out of context). As a result, when looking at rape cases (…

While this is technically true, it's important to note that modern criminal justice systems are designed to minimize the likelihood of false convictions at the expense of increasing the likelihood of false acquittals. It's supposed to be very hard to achieve a conviction. And this feature is essential for social stability. History is replete with examples of disastrous alternatives.

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 18, 2021, 10:05 AM UTC

ginko wrote: post #34

oilbagz wrote: post #12

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>People can change their mind So, a new era of abstinence is ahead of us. There is simply no other way for anyone to feel safe than to simply abstain. Personally I'm okay with this, but I know a lot of teenagers who grew up thinking sex is an important facet of their identity who will disagree... Frankly, though, I think a more conservative society which treats sex with a lot more respect than the current shit-show,…

>Frankly, though, I think a more conservative society which treats sex with a lot more respect than the current shit-show, is definitely in order. Conservative societies generally had more sex than we do now.