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Children Playing Blockchain

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Re: Children Playing Blockchain

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physical-economy interpretation: the teachers and children are lucky enough to live in a rich society where only a fraction of the population are required to do productive work such as growing food, distributing clean water, building and maintain housing and providing healthcare services. the teachers and children are freed from the burden of contributing productive work that benefits society and can instead engage i…

this is a good thing

Re: Children Playing Blockchain

#42

A third class plays using a consensus model based on explicit relationships of trust. Each student keeps track of which of the others they consider trustworthy. Since they all play together everyday, they know who is nice, and who is naughty. When a supermajority trusts the student placing a new block, that student is allowed to place it anywhere. When not enough people trust the student placing the block, they preve…

Which cryptocurrency does this describe?

None. It's the banking system :)

Re: Children Playing Blockchain

#43
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proof of stake literally makes rich richer, thats the point of it - holders can mint new blocks. With proof of work there is actual work involved tol, not just minting money with your capital.

In either case you can use your accumulating capital to accumulate more capital -- PoW just means consuming actual resources to do so, as you fold your earnings into more hardware and electricity to earn more.

And PoW has significant economies of scale. The big Chinese miners have special deals with power companies and ASIC manufacturers. PoS at least gives everyone an even playing field; big or small you get the same percentage return.

(Of course that's pretty much the point of the analogy.)

Re: Children Playing Blockchain

#44
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> The first class lost the students that simply couldn't keep up with the increasingly difficult sudokus. This is the story of every proof-of-work cryptocurrency. After a certain point, they only serve to make the rich even richer. Look at Bitcoin for example, where over 50% of the hashing power is controlled by big Chinese mining operations.

I would contest that assertion - some blockchains regularly change their PoW algorithm in an attempt to stay "ASIC-resistant."

That only makes it slightly more expensive for the rich people who, instead of fabbing ASICs, have to just buy more GPUs.

Re: Children Playing Blockchain

#45
Can someone continue the staking analogy? What exactly is being staked? You put a bunch of bricks in the center and randomly choose one, then return the remaining bricks to their owners?

Re: Children Playing Blockchain

#46
post #2

> The first class lost the students that simply couldn't keep up with the increasingly difficult sudokus. This is the story of every proof-of-work cryptocurrency. After a certain point, they only serve to make the rich even richer. Look at Bitcoin for example, where over 50% of the hashing power is controlled by big Chinese mining operations.

Proof of stake literally makes rich richer, thats the point of it - holders can mint new blocks. With proof of work there is actual work involved tol, not just minting money with your capital.

> Proof of stake literally makes rich richer, thats the point of it

That's certainly true with a very simple PoS mechanism. I don't think that type of PoS is used in practice with any major cryptocurrency (please correct me if I'm wrong though).

The one I'm most familiar with (Cardano) uses delegated proof of stake, so users delegate their stake to a stake pool and share in the rewards. The platform supports, encourages, and enables this for users with only very introductory understanding of Cardano.

Stake pools also suffer a penalty when they amass too much stake (their rewards decrease), so decentralization is encouraged and no one would be able to get, say, 50% RoA by owning of 50% of the Cardano currency (ADA)

Re: Children Playing Blockchain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proof of stake literally makes rich richer, thats the point of it - holders can mint new blocks. With proof of work there is actual work involved tol, not just minting money with your capital.

> Proof of stake literally makes rich richer, thats the point of it That's certainly true with a very simple PoS mechanism. I don't think that type of PoS is used in practice with any major cryptocurrency (please correct me if I'm wrong though). The one I'm most familiar with (Cardano) uses delegated proof of stake, so users delegate their stake to a stake pool and share in the rewards. The platform supports, encoura…

If some group owns 50% of Cardano, what prevents them to from crating two fake pools with 25% and 25% and avoid the penalties? (Or 100 groups with .5%, or whatever is needed.)

Re: Children Playing Blockchain

#48
Unfortunately this article provides almost no substance on blockchain or it's related technology. HN does not seem to mind as long as it is even remotely critical of anything crypto-related.

It would be nice to discuss the actual implications of the technology, critical or not, without such strong opinions interfering.

Re: Children Playing Blockchain

#49

A third class plays using a consensus model based on explicit relationships of trust. Each student keeps track of which of the others they consider trustworthy. Since they all play together everyday, they know who is nice, and who is naughty. When a supermajority trusts the student placing a new block, that student is allowed to place it anywhere. When not enough people trust the student placing the block, they preve…

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Re: Children Playing Blockchain

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would contest that assertion - some blockchains regularly change their PoW algorithm in an attempt to stay "ASIC-resistant."

That simply makes two currencies - before-fork, and after-fork. There's no rule that the one that "should" win does, especially in the face of large computing power making the former more attractive. See Bitcoin Cash, versus Bitcoin Classic.

That's just not an accurate nor truthful account of what happens in practice.

The example you gave has nothing to do with changing the PoW function to counteract ASICs. Both Bcash and bitcoin classic were forked because of completely different reasons, and had people who believed in those reasons defend the new forks and run the node software etc. For example XMR has been doing ASIC-deterrent forks for years now with great success.

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