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Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by arethuza »

deugtniet wrote: post #31
WoodenChair wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like Volkswagen is making some real inroads in the EV market based on that data. Is this correct? What has fueled it—is there a particular model?

Volkswagen has majorly invested in EVs. One important model Volkswagen has made is the ID.3 . Similar in size to the golf / rabbit. This is an attainable car I'm interested in buying.

I'm in the UK, I suspect my first electric car (in a couple of years) will be the new Škoda based on the same platform as the ID.3:

https://www.skoda.co.uk/electric-hybrid-cars/enyaq-iv

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by aphextron »

unethical_ban wrote: post #35
aphextron wrote: post #27

This is almost completely a result of artificial government imposed constraints that make ICE vehicles exceedingly more expensive there. It really has nothing to do with free market choice. A new Tesla Model 3 costs less than a Subaru Outback or Mini Cooper [0]. A VW eGolf also costs less than a base model ICE Golf. [0] https://www.skatteetaten.no/globalassets/tabeller-og-satser/...

Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet?

>Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet?

That's not my argument. It would be a good thing if all governments outlawed ICE consumer vehicles. However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs.

Obviously you can make people do whatever you want with aggressive enough tax policies. But the goal should be to get EVs to a fair market price point where they truly compete, not reliant on subsidies.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by baq »

deugtniet wrote: post #31
WoodenChair wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like Volkswagen is making some real inroads in the EV market based on that data. Is this correct? What has fueled it—is there a particular model?

Volkswagen has majorly invested in EVs. One important model Volkswagen has made is the ID.3 . Similar in size to the golf / rabbit. This is an attainable car I'm interested in buying.

personally waiting for an affordable VW e-bus, bonus points for pop-top.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by cbmuser »

zip1234 wrote: post #36
cbmuser wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying a car in Norway or even from abroad has always been very expensive because of the taxes Norway poses on regular cars: > https://www.skatteetaten.no/en/person/duties/cars-and-other-... Electric cars are exempt from these taxes which is why they are so attractive in Norway for customers. Electric cars are also exempt from road fees. Overall, electric cars in Norway are still getting 2.4 billion USD subsidies per…

Does Norway have any incentives/subsidies for electric bikes or scooters?

According to this website, there is a discount on the VAT when buying an electric bikes in Norway:

> https://kontohjelp.no/kontering/elsykkel/elsykkel-til-bruk-i...

The official website of the Norwegian tax authority also has some details which mentions scooters (Norwegian: Ståhjuling) as well:

> https://www.skatteetaten.no/en/rettskilder/type/uttalelser/p...

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by arve0 »

aphextron wrote: post #27

This is almost completely a result of artificial government imposed constraints that make ICE vehicles exceedingly more expensive there. It really has nothing to do with free market choice. A new Tesla Model 3 costs less than a Subaru Outback or Mini Cooper [0]. A VW eGolf also costs less than a base model ICE Golf. [0] https://www.skatteetaten.no/globalassets/tabeller-og-satser/...

Are you comparing a large car, Subaru Outback, to a small car, Model 3? Model X would be a fairer comparison, where model X is 300k NOK more in base model.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by dijit »

INTPenis wrote: post #38
anthony_r wrote: post #6

BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

I'm hearing more and more electric cars pass me in traffic and about half of them are not Teslas. (Sweden) I have no numbers to back this up, just observations of a cyclist commuter in Malmö. Edit: According to this absolutely awful website[1] it's up to 113,790 EVs in Sweden in 2020. And according to this[2] much better website jan-nov in 2020 saw 93k gasoline driven cars vs. 21k EVs. So we're not even close to Norw…

As far as I know there's not much incentive to buy electric in Sweden, where in Norway they're heavily subsidised.

Also, small internet, Hello from Caroli, Malmo!

[EDIT: Cars otherwise being heavily taxed and EV's being Tax free, both at purchase time and with annual car taxes (with additional perks such as no parking tolls and driving in bus lanes) is the definition of subsidised]

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by lastofthemojito »

WoodenChair wrote: post #21
anthony_r wrote: post #6

BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

It seems like Volkswagen is making some real inroads in the EV market based on that data. Is this correct? What has fueled it—is there a particular model?

The first two models are the ID.3 hatchback (which has launched in Europe) and the ID.4 SUV (which has been advertised and is available for pre-orders in the US).

Volkswagen has made massive investments in EVs after their diesel emissions cheating scandal. Part of their settlement with the US was that they would spend $2 billion on emissions-free auto infrastructure to offset their diesel emissions. That's where Electrify America (one of the big EV charger networks) came from.

I'm not sure that VW would have jumped into the EV market quite so enthusiastically if the diesel emissions scandal hadn't forced their hand. But now, I guess they figure they're spending billions on all of this EV infrastructure, they might as well try to become one of the leaders in EV sales.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by noelrock »

Norway has been leading the pack in this regard for quite some time. A few Government incentives, both financial and for instance the ability to use dedicated bus lanes (now discontinued in Oslo I think?) majorly helped.

One of the large issues around uptake is simply infrastructure. Here in Ireland, it is still patchy at best. We had an EV (Nissan) from around 2016 but gave it up in 2020 as there was simply too much anxiety around out of service public chargers and lack of backup. Range anxiety is definitely possible to overcome, but it requires the state to back it up with resources: Norway has most definitively done this.

Final thought: no surprise that ID.3 is making inroads in a huge way on sales. It's a sweet spot of a good car at an attainable price that looks, for want of a better word, 'normal'. Some EVs seem to be designed 'differently' almost for the sake of it - and while some will love that, it ends up adding another hurdle for a certain segment of the market I believe.

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