What's so special about Apple products? • Hacker News Board

Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by Someone » Sun, May 08, 2011, 3:56 PM UTC

andreadallera wrote: post #29

adsr wrote: post #24

Hm, cmd + x does cut. Just not on files in Finder, the reason I suspect is the lack of a "forcing function" in such a case. It would for example be possible to lose files by mistakingly hit cmd + x. For other operations like this, (quitting without saving, emptying the trash etc) you get a question asking you to confirm.

Yes, it does normally cut, but not in finder. I don't see how could you lose files by cutting - on dolphin (KDE) if i cut a file and then don't paste it the only thing that happens is that dolphin notifies me of that (rendering the icon grayish) and, if i close it and open it up again, the file is still there, still grayish.

Frankly, I have never seen a file explorer that does cut, anywhere. MS Windows, for instance, does not delete a file on 'cut', and does not copy it on 'copy' (if it did, "copy, shift-delete, paste" would be a no-op)

Cut/Copy/Paste/Undo is a huge UI problem in file explorers. Apple historically chose to not implement any of them (but it did have 'Put Back' to move any file or folder back to where it last was). Following pressure from Windows users, Mac OS X added copy and paste, but not cut. I certainly can understand their reasoning, and also am happy with it. It is not as if I spend hours each day moving files and directories around; if I did, I would do so using the command prompt.

Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by sorbus » Sun, May 08, 2011, 4:30 PM UTC

andreadallera wrote: post #40

sorbus wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either it's not getting the volume of upvotes to keep it on the front page (fairly likely), or people are flagging it which is combining with the low volume of upvotes to push it away from the front page. Either way, it's a pity, as it means that the conversation here will probably die down, but it's not especially surprising.

This has 13 points at the moment. The submission which is currently 6th place on the homepage has 12 points and is, like this one, about 1 hour old (i've submitted this after that one was already on the home). I smell censorship...

Eh. Decentralized censorship, maybe. Even a few flags are counted fairly heavily for moving submissions down, I believe. Don't blame the community as a whole, or the people running the site: blame the few people who don't understand what flagging is for.

Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by akadien » Sun, May 08, 2011, 4:55 PM UTC

andreadallera wrote: post #5

akadien wrote: post #3

Summary: a Linux/Windows use finds quirks when using a different environment (Mac OS X).

I don't think they're just quirks but let's say it's the way you paint it. Given those quirks, why would you choose to use a platform so quirky for 3 times the price? That's what I don't understand. I've switched from Windows to Linux a while ago. At the beginning it was "quirky" but I could immediately see how much better linux was. On mac, I just feel that the system is working against me.

My point is that "quirks" like these are in the eye (or fingertips) of the beholder. Surely, someone using a system for years will find a new system awkward to use.

To play devil's advocate, I would choose a platform 3x the cost because (a) I'm used to features that Windows users call quirks, and (b) I receive > 3x the value from that system.

In my own case, I find that I like Windows 7 a little more than Mac OS X these days.

Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by 0x1337 » Sun, May 08, 2011, 4:56 PM UTC

The key thing to remember is that Apple is the most evil company out there. And as we see, unfortunately, many of their evil plans have succeeded.

Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by tzs » Sun, May 08, 2011, 5:27 PM UTC

andreadallera wrote: post #7

petrilli wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 times the price? Seriously?

There's links to both a laptop PC and a MacBook with similar specs in the article, the laptop PC is 749€, the macbook 2149€. EDIT : to reply to the comment below... I don't know about weight but battery time on my crappy current laptop (2 years old) is around 4 hours and a half, I think because I run linux (on windows it was around 2 hours). One of my colleagues recently changed the battery on his MacBook pro because…

Several problems here. First, you picked the wrong Mac for comparison. You should have compared to the next one down in the MacBook Pro line. That better matches the Acer, except the Acer has a bigger disk. You can configure the Mac to match.

That drops the Mac to 1849. At that point, the Mac has the following hardware advantages over the Acer:

1. 2.0 GHz i7 vs. 1.73 GHz i7 processor.

2. 2.54 kg weight vs. 3.3 kg

3. 1440x900 display vs. 1366x768. (For another 100 euros, you can make the Apple 1680x1050).

4. Dual graphics with automatic switching. The Acer does have faster graphics and more graphics RAM. It should get about twice the frame rate on high settings in many games. The Mac will use a lot less power on graphics, though, especially when you are doing stuff that doesn't make heavy GPU use--like most of the time when programming.

5. The Mac will get significantly better battery life.

6. The Mac likely has a much better trackpad and keyboard, and overall better build quality. In my experience, most programmers care about these things, for the same reason other craftsmen care about tool quality. I don't like to type all day on a poor keyboard, or do my mouse manipulation with a poor trackpad.

EDIT: also, git is not slow on Mac. Terminals do not take 30 seconds to open. I suspect you are getting flagged and the submission was deleted because it contains so many things that are contrary to fact.