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Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by dhughes »

seb wrote: post #13
andreadallera wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's links to both a laptop PC and a MacBook with similar specs in the article, the laptop PC is 749€, the macbook 2149€. EDIT : to reply to the comment below... I don't know about weight but battery time on my crappy current laptop (2 years old) is around 4 hours and a half, I think because I run linux (on windows it was around 2 hours). One of my colleagues recently changed the battery on his MacBook pro because…

They do not have similar specs. They might have some of the same components but resolution, battery lifetime and weight are all better on the MacBook Pro. If you just look at the processor, ram and hard drive then every non apple computer will be cheaper.

Apple doesn't make it very easy for the average Joe to compare Apple versus other manufacturers battery life, choosing the non-standard Watt-hour instead of mAh.

Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by andreadallera »

riobard wrote: post #21
andreadallera wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's links to both a laptop PC and a MacBook with similar specs in the article, the laptop PC is 749€, the macbook 2149€. EDIT : to reply to the comment below... I don't know about weight but battery time on my crappy current laptop (2 years old) is around 4 hours and a half, I think because I run linux (on windows it was around 2 hours). One of my colleagues recently changed the battery on his MacBook pro because…

as if build quality, aesthetics, user experience, happiness, etc are worthless

Build quality, aesthetics -> as long as it boots and doesn't fall into pieces, I couldn't care less. I'm a programmer.

User experience -> that's exactly what I'm complaining about. My user experience is severely impaired.

happiness -> ...

Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by adsr »

andreadallera wrote: post #29
adsr wrote: post #24

Hm, cmd + x does cut. Just not on files in Finder, the reason I suspect is the lack of a "forcing function" in such a case. It would for example be possible to lose files by mistakingly hit cmd + x. For other operations like this, (quitting without saving, emptying the trash etc) you get a question asking you to confirm.

Yes, it does normally cut, but not in finder. I don't see how could you lose files by cutting - on dolphin (KDE) if i cut a file and then don't paste it the only thing that happens is that dolphin notifies me of that (rendering the icon grayish) and, if i close it and open it up again, the file is still there, still grayish.

Yes, but then that is a form of notification, although you could say that it's ambiguous to someone who doesn't use that feature and hit cmd+x by mistake. Or, let's say it's less clear than a alert dialog asking you to confirm. Having said that, an alert would be annoying.

Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by parbo »

[deleted] wrote: post #27
andreadallera wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is... problem is, there is also another key called "command", or "apple", which most of the times does what the ctrl key does on a pc. But not always, so you have to keep switching.

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Ctrl-d (not Cmd-d) in every textbox in OSX does exactly what Ctrl-d does in emacs. There is no difference.

Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by BasDirks »

andreadallera wrote: post #28
[deleted] wrote: post #15

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That was a really insightful contribution of yours. Keep rolling.

Want insightful? Google. Because that is where your questions belong. You're making a point/asking a question (why Mac for webdev?) from a completely skewed perspective.

Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by jodoherty »

The lack of a delete key never bothered me in Mac OS X since every single text field gives you bloody Emacs shortcuts.

If anything, it's more convenient to be able to do Ctrl-A, Ctrl-f, Ctrl-f, Ctrl-d, Ctrl-d than reach all the way over to Home, hit right arrow twice, then hit Del twice, especially when you use caps lock as Ctrl.

You can kind of do the same in Linux (GTK+ has emacs keybindings you can enable inside text fields as well), but it'll always work better in Mac OS X because they have the Command key and forced everyone to make good, consistent use of it, so using Ctrl for emacs shortcuts usually doesn't clobber anything.

Honestly, globally available emacs keys and the ability to run Photoshop/Premiere Pro/Cubase/etc. without giving up my UNIX-like commandline are the two major reasons I like using a Mac. Quirks with Finder don't bother me since I only use it to browse files -- almost everything else, like moving or copying files, I usually do using the commandline anyway. Things are also more consistent and more stable with a Mac, since they tailor the hardware and software to specifically match each other and Apple is very big on getting developers to follow their UI conventions. I also enjoy using multi-touch gestures on the generously sized touchpads they have on the newer Macbooks and Macbook Pros.

But other than that, there isn't anything Mac OS X has to offer that Linux doesn't provide, assuming you're using it on well-supported hardware (which can be hit or miss when shopping sometimes).

Everything really is slower on a Mac too. All the file operations are hooked into Spotlight so it can keep track of all your files for a search feature people like me never use, and I don't think HFS+ performs that well to begin with. Not to mention the hardware is a weak compared to equivalently priced PCs.

Even so, I still find that everything's more than fast and responsive enough for me, and you'll always be able to find someone who'll pay a good price for your 1-year old Macbook Pro, making upgrading to the latest model that much cheaper.

Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by sorbus »

andreadallera wrote: post #35

Where has my submission gone? Why it's not on the frontpage anymore? Is it what I think happened really happened?

Either it's not getting the volume of upvotes to keep it on the front page (fairly likely), or people are flagging it which is combining with the low volume of upvotes to push it away from the front page. Either way, it's a pity, as it means that the conversation here will probably die down, but it's not especially surprising.

Re: What's so special about Apple products?

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Post by andreadallera »

sorbus wrote: post #39
andreadallera wrote: post #35

Where has my submission gone? Why it's not on the frontpage anymore? Is it what I think happened really happened?

Either it's not getting the volume of upvotes to keep it on the front page (fairly likely), or people are flagging it which is combining with the low volume of upvotes to push it away from the front page. Either way, it's a pity, as it means that the conversation here will probably die down, but it's not especially surprising.

This has 13 points at the moment. The submission which is currently 6th place on the homepage has 12 points and is, like this one, about 1 hour old (i've submitted this after that one was already on the home).

I smell censorship...

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