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Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by jjk166 »

minusthebrandon wrote: post #22
londons_explore wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of ability to snapchat friends might not seem important... But communication is key to nearly everything in life, and not being part of those snapchat rumours, disputes and controversies now will probably mean your daughter doesn't get as good at the skills to interact with her peers in 20 years time.

She interacts with her peers at school and with her family... by that same token, ANYONE who grew up before Snapchat or the Internet had or has lacking social skills. Also, she CAN FaceTime. I would not consider Snapchat or TikTok to be "socializing with friends" for an 8 year old.

> She interacts with her peers at school and with her family... by that same token, ANYONE who grew up before Snapchat or the Internet had or has lacking social skills.

You know how we don't really get this whole social media thing the kids are into these days? That's because we lack those social skills. Just like how your parents' generation struggles with E-mail despite it being so simple, because you grew up with that.

It might not bother you that you're bad at Telegram or whatever because none of your peers use it either. But her peers do.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by baq »

okareaman wrote: post #8

Little girls grow up into tweens obsessed with pop stars and friends and then into teens who rebel to find their own way. No amount of sheltering can stop it.

and the grownups who aren't their parents know this and are ready to make money on that with nothing but cost for the user/product. i don't think it's strange that parents don't want their children to be products.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by goatlover »

jjk166 wrote: post #31
echelon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did read the article and saw the author blaming themselves and calling themselves bad parents. It's not all their fault. They're fighting an asymmetric war. Millions of parents are.

Oh, you read the article where a mother repeatedly says her 11 year old daughter is just like a crack addict because she prefers being on her phone to making her bed? The article where the mother admits to going into fits of rage and punishes the 11 year old child for doing nothing that isn't normally tolerated even in this already very strict household? The article where this mother of an 11 year old blames nothing…

Nine hours on a phone during the day is normal for an eleven year old? That sounds like a problem.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by x87678r »

I don't really like the article, but to me there is a problem and it isn't just teenagers but adults as well, everywhere you go people are just mindlessly phone out and scrolling. Games are sucking a bunch of time as well. Quarantining has made it worse.

You'd hope people were more educated or exposed to cool ideas but given the debate on the election and the most popular videos on youtube it doesn't seem to be that way.

Maybe its just a new normal and I'm old. I feel lucky the internet didn't exist when I was young.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by parksy »

My dad smashed my computer around the laundry (where the computer lived) with my cricket bat because I was "playing games" instead of studying.

"playing games" was using assembly language and pascal with s3m libraries to program a game.

With my kids I've felt the rise of anger when they want to be autonomous and pursue their own interests. I mean, I was taught that parenthood is subjugation.

But just like my dad couldn't realise that there was a rising future in gaming as an industry or the internet, because it was so far removed from his traditional roots, who am I to say that Minecraft, Youtube, or some variant of it won't be the future operating system of society.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by stolenmerch »

All of these things can be true at the same time:

1) They are bad parents 2) They are good parents 3) Smartphones are a qualitatively different addiction problem than TV, comic books, or other demonized technology of yore 4) It is correlation not causation 5) Her problems were partly caused by the iPhone

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by natchy »

KungFuJohnny wrote: post #2

Title is completely misleading. The problem has nothing to do with an iPhone. It has 100% to do with bad parenting. The author even acknowledges this, but I guess blaming the iPhone gets more clicks than "Poor parenting harms child".

During the rise of smart phones I wouldn’t have blamed parents. It was an unknown, assumed to be like tv (which the article states)

But with everything we know now, there’s no excuse. Parents are being irresponsible letting their child have a smart device.

A ten year old? Forget it.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by si1entstill »

Ishmaeli wrote: post #7

Looks like correlation, not causation. Our precocious angels have been transforming into sullen monsters at the onset of adolescence since the beginning of time. Do we really think they would have stayed precocious angels forever, if only they had never discovered comic books or rock'n'roll or TV or video games or whatever the current teenage vice happens to be? Sure, there is good evidence that smartphones are more…

It feels like a bit of both. The phone is probably a focal point for other issues. But, I don't think we should downplay the fact that the finely tuned, variable reward scheduled, Skinner boxs that are many modern apps are anywhere near comic books, rock'n'roll, or videogames of old. I'm pretty conscious of intrusive notifications and apps that aggressively vie for my attention. Even with those limits in place, I'm acutely aware of the effect of having reddit available from my pocket in I'm not saying that you said anything counter to this. I just think that apps which are hyper-tuned to captivate our every moment are a different beast.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

parksy wrote: post #45

My dad smashed my computer around the laundry (where the computer lived) with my cricket bat because I was "playing games" instead of studying. "playing games" was using assembly language and pascal with s3m libraries to program a game. With my kids I've felt the rise of anger when they want to be autonomous and pursue their own interests. I mean, I was taught that parenthood is subjugation. But just like my dad coul…

You are a lucky one, because at that time to your interests in computing would lead to job opportunities.

I’m afraid it is not so with an iPhone. Our phones take without giving. Now excuse me I should probably log off and do something useful.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Post by whymauri »

Ishmaeli wrote: post #7

Looks like correlation, not causation. Our precocious angels have been transforming into sullen monsters at the onset of adolescence since the beginning of time. Do we really think they would have stayed precocious angels forever, if only they had never discovered comic books or rock'n'roll or TV or video games or whatever the current teenage vice happens to be? Sure, there is good evidence that smartphones are more…

The year is 2050.

"My daughter was a creative genius, then we bought her first neural lace."

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