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Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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> doesn't play to stereotypes The stereotype that QA is 'women's work' is harming the industry.

I've been in web development for over a decade and have never heard of this. All of the QA teams that I've worked with in the past have never showed any preference for one gender over the other.

QA and BAs skew slightly female but not really all that much. It's just a stark contrast to devs that skew pretty overwhelmingly male.

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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Shouldn’t you have gone with “PatchWoman” if you were playing off of “PostMan”?

PatchGirl felt kind of neat to me! Back then, I pictured a young rebel pirate girl on a boat filled with adults (postman, pow, insomnia, ...) and she just looked cool in my head :-P

I see your vision now, and I get everyone's "this is PC nitpicking gone mad!" reactions - but I think it's more subtle (of course it's totally up to you). "Girl" works great as a superhero name, but for tool for doing serious software development it feels a bit dated.

"Girl" has a lot of historical connotations when applied to real actual work. It was a way to belittle the importance of people's skills and organizational value. When I first read "PatchGirl" I saw switch-board operators, not superheros - because it sounds exactly like a name that would get applied to women's work in the 1950s.

The same is true for "boy": if you want to imply someone's not a man, you call them "boy"... but no one after the 1950s would do this in an office setting unless they were being antagonistic. Again, it's fine for a superhero!

I think that's why some people will be against the name. Words are powerful, and have been used powerfully in the past. If you're not aware of the past (or not adversely affected by it) then it seems like a stupid nitpick - but to some there's a negative reaction to seeing history repeating.

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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I would avoid gender-izing business or product names. There is a trend in the tech industry to remove gender and racial terms from our dictionary. examples: factory girl was renamed to "factory bot". https://github.com/thoughtbot/factory_bot/issues/921 github is renaming `master` git branches to `main` https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-...

Bot is offensive as well, some people may identify as bots. Bots may have feelings too.

/r/onejoke

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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I would avoid gender-izing business or product names. There is a trend in the tech industry to remove gender and racial terms from our dictionary. examples: factory girl was renamed to "factory bot". https://github.com/thoughtbot/factory_bot/issues/921 github is renaming `master` git branches to `main` https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-...

I've never seen any other business advice, backed by evidence, downvoted and kill on this community for literally any other subject. It really says a lot. People would rather bury the idea that this industry is male dominated then make sound business decisions.

It is

- hopefully IMO not sound business advice

- and it is not backed by evidence that this is even a problem

- or that the "solution" will solve anything,

- it is backed by anecdotal evidence of a thing many of us dislike intensely: namely innocent organizations and individuals being hounded into crazy things because someone thinks someone else might get offended.

I say as Rowan Atkinson: feel free to insult me!

When I was young and vulnerable people did that to some small degree anyways and now I am old enough to don't care and/or get back at them, and meanwhile it has been an invaluable lesson.

In my case: Just stick to the facts, and don't accuse me of things that aren't true.

Or: in other words, if someone suggested your codebase should have comments in Russian because "think of the Russian children" it would be downvoted to.

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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PatchGirl felt kind of neat to me! Back then, I pictured a young rebel pirate girl on a boat filled with adults (postman, pow, insomnia, ...) and she just looked cool in my head :-P

Sounds like a great way to integrate a strong female character into your product somehow! Why not use your idea as the logo?? The name is gendered, but the logo is very bland and ungendered. Seems inconsistent.

Yeah, that is the plan :-) I'll have some logo design soon!

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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I've never seen any other business advice, backed by evidence, downvoted and kill on this community for literally any other subject. It really says a lot. People would rather bury the idea that this industry is male dominated then make sound business decisions.

It is - hopefully IMO not sound business advice - and it is not backed by evidence that this is even a problem - or that the "solution" will solve anything, - it is backed by anecdotal evidence of a thing many of us dislike intensely: namely innocent organizations and individuals being hounded into crazy things because someone thinks someone else might get offended. I say as Rowan Atkinson: feel free to insult me! Wh…

>hopefully IMO not sound business advice

What are your credentials? specifically related to the fact that github is moving away from master/slave terminology. Do you feel like their executive team is acting on unsound business ideology?

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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I would avoid gender-izing business or product names. There is a trend in the tech industry to remove gender and racial terms from our dictionary. examples: factory girl was renamed to "factory bot". https://github.com/thoughtbot/factory_bot/issues/921 github is renaming `master` git branches to `main` https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-...

Author here! Never realized that was why factory-girl changed its name... That's interesting thank you! PatchGirl was initially only a rest client so it was just a stupid pun (because of postman). But it stick and now I like the name :-P

I worked at a salmon cannery in Alaska for a summer. On the canning line there was the patch station, staffed by “patch girls.” Open cans, freshly filled with fish, would come down the line to each station at about 70 per minute. They were automatically weighed. If they were too heavy or too light you’d “patch” them with extra fish to bring them on par.

This station was very fast paced, precise, and very stressful. And had a small pay increase to account for what a demanding position it was.

The role was open to anyone but when I was there it was all women (and usually was). I was told it was because they most often had the ability to stay calm in the never ending onslaught of cans and still do precise work for hours on end.

I (as a man) worked on at this station for a few days, but couldn’t handle it. It was bonkers hard and those women were beyond impressive.

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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I'd say the definition is whatever definition the team you work in uses. For example for me at work, seeding = automatic database setup for a test system with example data

> I'd say the definition is whatever definition > the team you work in uses. No, the definition of industry terms is the way they would be understood by other people in the industry. Seeding is understood to be critical data such as area code lists and timezone information. > For example for me at work, seeding = automatic > database setup for a test system with example data You're not wrong. Seeding _is_ automatic d…

>No, the definition of industry terms is the way they would be understood by other people in the industry. Seeding is understood to be critical data such as area code lists and timezone information.

That's kind of the point. Ask three different people in the industry, get three slightly different definitions, unless they work in the same team.

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