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Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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Post by Minor49er »

smegcicle wrote: post #25
uponcoffee wrote: post #17

I don't get the gender backlash here, personification has been a thing for a long time and there doesn't seem to be any malfeasance (intended or otherwise) here. It's not lewd, doesn't play to stereotypes, etc. To me, a basic litmus test is whether you could easily swap the gender without reworking anything. If you can't, it's probably offensive, if you can it's practically gender neutral (naming aside). It's not a c…

> doesn't play to stereotypes The stereotype that QA is 'women's work' is harming the industry.

I've been in web development for over a decade and have never heard of this. All of the QA teams that I've worked with in the past have never showed any preference for one gender over the other.

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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Post by kkirsche »

matsutsu wrote: post #19
armagon wrote: post #15

I don't fully understand what this is. This seems to be a tool to allow me to semi-automate repetitive tasks that access a REST API; is that correct? Can I download it and fill it in with my own endpoints, etc?

Kind of :-) The idea behind PatchGirl is to allow developers to combine REST and SQL requests to populate your database to a desired state. The goal is to make "database seeding" and "API testing" reproducible and ease manual testing :-) All PatchGirl's features are enabled by running a little proxy (called patchgirl-runner) on your computer which you can find here https://github.com/patchgirl/patchgirl/releases/tag/…

One comment based on a discussion I was having yesterday on this subject, I’d be careful of the term seeding. I think of seed data as data required for the app to function properly. For example, I seed my application database with a system user account or other system specific data.

I’d contrast this with test data which is used to provide a consistent data set for reproducible actions (usually unit or integration tests).

Sorry if that’s a pedantic nuance

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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Post by Minor49er »

nikolay wrote: post #9
itake wrote: post #3

I would avoid gender-izing business or product names. There is a trend in the tech industry to remove gender and racial terms from our dictionary. examples: factory girl was renamed to "factory bot". https://github.com/thoughtbot/factory_bot/issues/921 github is renaming `master` git branches to `main` https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-...

How did we progress from "two genders" to "unlimited genders" to "no genders"?!

"Unlimited genders" was used to push the overton window so far that transgender sounded like a reasonable middleground by comparison.

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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Post by cerebellum42 »

kkirsche wrote: post #32
matsutsu wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of :-) The idea behind PatchGirl is to allow developers to combine REST and SQL requests to populate your database to a desired state. The goal is to make "database seeding" and "API testing" reproducible and ease manual testing :-) All PatchGirl's features are enabled by running a little proxy (called patchgirl-runner) on your computer which you can find here https://github.com/patchgirl/patchgirl/releases/tag/…

One comment based on a discussion I was having yesterday on this subject, I’d be careful of the term seeding. I think of seed data as data required for the app to function properly. For example, I seed my application database with a system user account or other system specific data. I’d contrast this with test data which is used to provide a consistent data set for reproducible actions (usually unit or integration te…

I'd say the definition is whatever definition the team you work in uses. For example for me at work, seeding = automatic database setup for a test system with example data

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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Post by kevincox »

nikolay wrote: post #9
itake wrote: post #3

I would avoid gender-izing business or product names. There is a trend in the tech industry to remove gender and racial terms from our dictionary. examples: factory girl was renamed to "factory bot". https://github.com/thoughtbot/factory_bot/issues/921 github is renaming `master` git branches to `main` https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-...

How did we progress from "two genders" to "unlimited genders" to "no genders"?!

Since genders are classifications if everyone has a different gender it isn't a useful classification. So "too restrictive" -> "not very useful" -> "stop using"

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

#36

Post by bluntfang »

uponcoffee wrote: post #17

I don't get the gender backlash here, personification has been a thing for a long time and there doesn't seem to be any malfeasance (intended or otherwise) here. It's not lewd, doesn't play to stereotypes, etc. To me, a basic litmus test is whether you could easily swap the gender without reworking anything. If you can't, it's probably offensive, if you can it's practically gender neutral (naming aside). It's not a c…

>Instead people seem to want to take offense just for the sake of virtue signaling.

Are you taking offense to people taking offense for the sake of virtue signaling?

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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Post by bluntfang »

itake wrote: post #3

I would avoid gender-izing business or product names. There is a trend in the tech industry to remove gender and racial terms from our dictionary. examples: factory girl was renamed to "factory bot". https://github.com/thoughtbot/factory_bot/issues/921 github is renaming `master` git branches to `main` https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-...

I've never seen any other business advice, backed by evidence, downvoted and kill on this community for literally any other subject. It really says a lot.

People would rather bury the idea that this industry is male dominated then make sound business decisions.

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

#39

Post by bluntfang »

matsutsu wrote: post #20
PretzelPirate wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn’t you have gone with “PatchWoman” if you were playing off of “PostMan”?

PatchGirl felt kind of neat to me! Back then, I pictured a young rebel pirate girl on a boat filled with adults (postman, pow, insomnia, ...) and she just looked cool in my head :-P

Sounds like a great way to integrate a strong female character into your product somehow! Why not use your idea as the logo?? The name is gendered, but the logo is very bland and ungendered. Seems inconsistent.

Re: Show HN: PatchGirl – QA for Web Developers

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Post by dotancohen »

cerebellum42 wrote: post #34
kkirsche wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One comment based on a discussion I was having yesterday on this subject, I’d be careful of the term seeding. I think of seed data as data required for the app to function properly. For example, I seed my application database with a system user account or other system specific data. I’d contrast this with test data which is used to provide a consistent data set for reproducible actions (usually unit or integration te…

I'd say the definition is whatever definition the team you work in uses. For example for me at work, seeding = automatic database setup for a test system with example data

  > I'd say the definition is whatever definition
  > the team you work in uses.
No, the definition of industry terms is the way they would be understood by other people in the industry. Seeding is understood to be critical data such as area code lists and timezone information.

  > For example for me at work, seeding = automatic
  > database setup for a test system with example data
You're not wrong. Seeding _is_ automatic database setup, just not only for test systems.
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