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Cyberpunk 2077 delayed to December 10

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Re: Cyberpunk 2077 delayed to December 10

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Post by HelloNurse »

reciprocity wrote: post #9

Pushing to release a "minimum viable product" over polishing games prior to launch is something more game development companies should do.

Not in this case: it's a large and complex adventure game that most people will only play once or (if obsessive) a few times with major plot and character variants, not a puzzle or strategy game that is meant to be replayed over and over again, enjoyed at launch, and enjoyed again after updates.

Only the "maximum viable product", the best possible version of the game within budget and technical limitations, is relevant.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 delayed to December 10

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Post by merb »

sbarre wrote: post #23
aphextron wrote: post #6

>"Some of you might also be wondering what these words mean in light of us saying we achieved gold master some time ago. Passing certification, or 'going gold', means the game is ready, can be completed, and has all content in it. But it doesn't mean we stop working on it and raising the quality bar." No... that's actually exactly what it means. Going gold means the branch is cut, it's in the can, and discs are being…

I'm always fascinated by people who insist on applying their own interpretation of something to other people's lives/businesses/processes. Games have been getting "post-gold" updates and day-one patches for like a decade or more.. This is nothing new. I don't understand the fixation of catching people in an alleged lie.. What's the difference whether they genuinely underestimated the time required to do something _th…

> Games have been getting "post-gold" updates and day-one patches for like a decade or more.. This is nothing new.

no it is nothing new. is it better than it was in the past? probably not. I mean if I buy a fucking disk and need to redownload the whole content of the disk from the internet anyway, that sucks really hard, for a lot of people. especially for archiving purposes. how can it be that the game is like 40gb and needs a 40gb patch? what did you do past release? rewrite the game?

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 delayed to December 10

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Post by emdowling »

The Twitter replies are absolutely brutal and overly aggressive towards the developers, but I do have some level of empathy for it. This is such a hotly-anticipated release and people are craving escapism in 2020, and this game is going to provide that for so many people. That said, the level of aggression is intense and crosses the line.

Still, I feel sorry for the developers who were seriously in a Catch-22. They are (correctly, IMO) prioritising the right thing by focusing on quality over the short-term negativity from a very vocal group. I wish more companies would take this approach (or, in the case of Apple, rediscover this approach).

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 delayed to December 10

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Post by s9w »

elorant wrote: post #34
s9w wrote: post #3

This is its third delay I think. And AFTER announcing its gold status. This is so bizarre. And it's not even an amateur studio or a monumental project like Star Citizen. They delivered multiple projects that were at least of comparable size. They released so many trailers in the last weeks and even days. This must be so expensive purely from a marketing perspective. Also none of the reasons are news. Corona has been…

How is this expensive? Almost all of the trailers I watched had in-game action, and only one featured Keanu and his bike company, which was obviously shot months ago.

Well for starters, they all showed the wrong release date.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 delayed to December 10

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Post by s9w »

throwaway3699 wrote: post #31
s9w wrote: post #3

This is its third delay I think. And AFTER announcing its gold status. This is so bizarre. And it's not even an amateur studio or a monumental project like Star Citizen. They delivered multiple projects that were at least of comparable size. They released so many trailers in the last weeks and even days. This must be so expensive purely from a marketing perspective. Also none of the reasons are news. Corona has been…

People are working from home, which I imagine gets harder the more creative a project is.

But wfh didn't change since their last delay, or their gold announcement.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 delayed to December 10

#47

Post by rpastuszak »

speeder wrote: post #32

The delay doesn't annoy me that much but the Day 0 patch trend does. Seriously why people can't just release 1.0 software that is 1.0 anymore? Although broadband now is widespread, in many situations people might not have it. Situations where day-0 patch is bad: 1. Countries or places with poor infrastructure 2. Rural areas 3. People using the software after many years when the server with the patch might be gone. Al…

I'm not sure if that's still the case, but one of the main reasons were the publishing platforms and deadlines (@someone more knowledgeable, please correct me if I'm wrong!) :

As a game developer you'd need to set the publishing date weeks if not months in advance. Due to the store policies, missing that slot would result in another, potentially very expensive, delay.

Now, marketing is a significant part of the budget and you really want to sync your marketing campaign with the release date. Postponing the release by a few weeks is almost guaranteed to damage the sales drastically, to the point where it could kill your game before people even have a chance to learn about it.

You're late. So what do you do? You release all of your fixes in a huge day-0 patch. It's still better than the alternative.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 delayed to December 10

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Post by smnrchrds »

sbarre wrote: post #23
aphextron wrote: post #6

>"Some of you might also be wondering what these words mean in light of us saying we achieved gold master some time ago. Passing certification, or 'going gold', means the game is ready, can be completed, and has all content in it. But it doesn't mean we stop working on it and raising the quality bar." No... that's actually exactly what it means. Going gold means the branch is cut, it's in the can, and discs are being…

I'm always fascinated by people who insist on applying their own interpretation of something to other people's lives/businesses/processes. Games have been getting "post-gold" updates and day-one patches for like a decade or more.. This is nothing new. I don't understand the fixation of catching people in an alleged lie.. What's the difference whether they genuinely underestimated the time required to do something _th…

I am not familiar enough with gaming jargon, but I must say I am not happy with the trend of businesses deciding to change the meaning of a word and everyone else playing along. For example:

- Unlimited data plan: it means you can use it until you hit 10GB, then the speed will be cut to 40kbps. But hey, you can use as much of the 40kbps speed as you want.

- Lifetime updates: we provide updates until we decide the device has reached end of life, which is approximately the same time as we stop selling that specific model of the device. [0]

- Native application: a web app packaged with Electron

- ...

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16258408

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 delayed to December 10

#49

Post by theandrewbailey »

zamalek wrote: post #39
theandrewbailey wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This game is the only reason I want to upgrade my GPU. Maybe there will be enough new Geforces or Radeons in stock by then.

There is at least one 3rd-party benchmark available at this point. AMD is slightly, possibly margin of error, ahead of NVIDIA. Assuming that the benchmarks are good, that AMD will undercut NVIDIA (as they tend to do) and that you don't want to do ML, Radeon is probably going to be the one for those who have been waiting.

AMD is holding the RDNA 2 reveal tomorrow: https://www.amd.com/en/events/gaming-2020

AMD has historically undercut Nvidia, but at a cost of power consumption, heat output, and feature set. Let's see what they have.

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