The Long, Painful History of Police Brutality in the U.S.

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Re: The Long, Painful History of Police Brutality in the U.S.

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Post by gamblor956 » Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:13 AM UTC

groby_b wrote: post #31

gamblor956 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is wrong. Police forces originated in North, where slavery was outlawed. Slave patrols were not formed until nearly 70 years later. https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/history-policing-united...

Did you bother to actually, you know, READ the article you shared? "It was not until the 1830s that the idea of a centralized municipal police department first emerged in the United States" vs. ". The first formal slave patrol was created in the Carolina colonies in 1704" Slave patrols predate municipal police departments by 100+ years. And for additional clarity, let's draw the link: " Following the Civil War, these…

Yes, especially the part where it states that private police organizations were formed in multiple Northeastern colonies in the 1630s...or more than 70 years before the first slave patrols. (See also https://time.com/4779112/police-history-origins/ which does a better job with its terminology.)

Unlike slave patrols, the Northeastern police organizations were the model for the formal police organizations formed in the 1800s.

If you're going to make an argument about timing, you need to get a better grasp on how time flows. (Hint: 1704 is a bigger number than 1630, so it comes later in the progression of time.)

Re: The Long, Painful History of Police Brutality in the U.S.

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Post by gamblor956 » Sun, May 31, 2020, 6:19 AM UTC

wpietri wrote: post #38

gamblor956 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is wrong. Police forces originated in North, where slavery was outlawed. Slave patrols were not formed until nearly 70 years later. https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/history-policing-united...

If you think the North's lack of slavery means a lack of officially supported anti-black violence, you should think again. Loewen's Sundown Towns documents widespread ethnic cleansing across the US in the 1890-1920 period. Prominent examples include the Tulsa Race Massacre, but in smaller places than Tulsa they had an easier time of it. Then as white flight took hold in the 1950s, there are plenty of examples of anti…

Way to create a strawman there pal. My point was that informal police organizations were the basis for the formal police organizations that followed, not the slave patrols.

The North also had slave patrols for several decades and was almost as racist as the South during the post-Civil War era. They just did a better job of hiding it. (By the way, Oklahoma was below the Mason-Dixon line and would have been considered a slave state if it had been a state at the start of the Civil War. As it was, Oklahoma was then known as the Indian Territory and most of the tribes owned slaves and fought on behalf of the Confederacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Territory_in_the_Americ...)

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