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France passes law forcing online platforms to delete hate-speech within 24 hours

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Re: France passes law forcing online platforms to delete hate-speech within 24 hours

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But what in case of the abuse of the system? Administrators will end up deleting whatever is reported. Not to mention it can be used in political fight.

there are things in it to punish people abusing the system too

To use a US example, I doubt there are many perjury charges prosecuted related to DMCA takedowns.

Re: France passes law forcing online platforms to delete hate-speech within 24 hours

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How long until internet companies decide that relatively small and litigious markets aren't worth their time and simply ignore laws like this? If every country with an economy the size of 1 or 2 large US states start making up their own censorship laws and trying to force companies to enforce them, at some point this causes huge inefficiencies. I can see two end states to this: 1. If the censoring country has enough…

> How long until internet companies decide that relatively small and litigious markets aren't worth their time and simply ignore laws like this? We saw it happen with GDPR already. Though we also see many companies play ball with censors, e.g. in places like China. If suddenly a Winnie-the-Pooh cartoon is judged to be "hate speech", it's easy to just censor the cartoons. Most users won't exactly care, there's plenty…

What happened with GDPR exactly?

Re: France passes law forcing online platforms to delete hate-speech within 24 hours

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Who decides what needs to be censored? How do we ensure a fair process if we could be silenced for just questioning the censors? The hate speech slope is slippery and unscrupulous politicians will always want to interfere.

Anything you cannot biologically change is hate speech. It’s not complicated and it’s objective.

Great news for those who don't like certain religions.

Re: France passes law forcing online platforms to delete hate-speech within 24 hours

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france is such a weird place. In some ways it's a very free society. In other ways it's not free at all. Don't most of the euro countries have weird laws about hate speech like this?

It can be argued the U.S. is the “weird” country for not restricting hate speech. It’s not just the EU, most countries regulate hate speech. This is not perceived as restricting freedom, because it protects the freedoms of the group the hate speech targets (one person’s freedom ends where another’s begins).

How does abusive speech, assuming it isn't from a government official, restrict freedom?

Re: France passes law forcing online platforms to delete hate-speech within 24 hours

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Hate speech definition: 'abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation'. How can this possibly be enforced? This is Bowdlerization of online debate. (removing material that is considered improper or offensive from (a text or account), especially with the result that the text becomes weaker or less effectiv…

This is a very broad term on this law. "prejudice against a particular group." So if I call Trump supporters "ignorant red necks and backward people," Will it be considered Hate speech? Or when people say: "White people are " Will that be considered hate speech too? Disclaimer: I am a "protected" minority, but I am in favor of free speech. Even if what you say is ugly or garbage. PS. I consider downvotes here as offe…

seems easy to consider those all hate speech

Re: France passes law forcing online platforms to delete hate-speech within 24 hours

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france is such a weird place. In some ways it's a very free society. In other ways it's not free at all. Don't most of the euro countries have weird laws about hate speech like this?

It’s simple. You’re not free to be intolerant. What is intolerant? Anything that involves biological differences that people are unable to change.

Live and let live - if you follow that, it's ok to hate or be intolerant, just do it quietly, without involving anyone.

Trying to block intolerance by force is wrong.

Teach how to overcome it, or just teach to keep it to one's self.

Re: France passes law forcing online platforms to delete hate-speech within 24 hours

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who decides what needs to be censored? How do we ensure a fair process if we could be silenced for just questioning the censors? The hate speech slope is slippery and unscrupulous politicians will always want to interfere.

Anything you cannot biologically change is hate speech. It’s not complicated and it’s objective.

Modern racism probably is focused much more on cultural attributes, perceived to be universal or common among certain people, than melanin level. That makes your test useless for the most obvious thing a hate speech law would seek to protect.

Re: France passes law forcing online platforms to delete hate-speech within 24 hours

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Being made fun of for anything that people biologically cannot change is hate speech. It’s not some complicated quagmire of laws you are trying to make it out to be.

If only content moderation and human expression were that simple. Alas, it is not to be. If you read it carefully, I just “made fun of” people who are unimaginative. Is that an innate trait? Should my content be censored? Should a comment on a video of a tall person that says “how’s the weather up there?” be censored using criminal liability? This criminalizes even hosting the discussion about what beliefs along thes…

> If you read it carefully, I just “made fun of” people who are unimaginative. Is that an innate trait? Should my content be censored?

Given that reddit is banning the word "retard"... the answer may soon be "yes, it should".

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