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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by amiantos »

Apaec wrote: post #36
amiantos wrote: post #12

Just because someone is a “doctor” doesn’t mean they are a reputable, trustworthy source of information. For example, there are doctors who promote the idea that hydrogen peroxide can cure cancer, and that tens of thousands of dollars worth of antibiotics can cure “chronic Lyme disease”. It seems absurd with how hard it is to go to medical school and get a license, but people come out the other side with the same int…

This is really a non-argument, as the WHO is also comprised of "doctors". The belief of dishonesty could be applied both ways.

In can go both ways, that's right, which is why we tend to trust the larger collection of people who have also done more to verify and support their claims. Two doctors in a YouTube video with anecdotal evidence that contradicts what the rest of the medical establishment says doesn't bode well for their believability.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by Gibbon1 »

javagram wrote: post #33
Apaec wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data regarding number of deaths is severely tainted though. Many doctors have claimed(this is also mentioned in the OP video) that their administration pressures them for including COVID-19 in causes of death.

But in reality, the number of excess deaths compared to the average year, or compared to last year, is well above the counted number of COVID-19 deaths. Anecdotal claims about deaths being miscounted as COVID-19 don’t really stand up to this. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/corona... https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1252616296891465729 The level of deaths/week we are seeing is like nothin…

For those that are paywalled, in New York the excess deaths of 6 times normal. You can't make that go away by claiming normal deaths are being misclassified.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by ThisIsTheWay »

drummer wrote: post #27
javagram wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your quoted paper is 5 weeks old, as shown by the excerpt “ compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing.” Now, today, we are at 50,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths just in the USA, and an analysis of excess mortality data already shows that a significant % of COVID-19-related deaths are not included in that count. This is with a massive mitigation campaign and nationwide social distancing.…

The data presented by the two doctors is fresh, and shows exactly what the paper says. COVID-19 is not worse than the flu.

One of the comments made in the video (referenced in the article as well) is

"We always have between 37,000 and 60,000 deaths in the United States, every single year. No pandemic talk. No shelter in place. No shutting down businesses."

Since early Feb we've seen ~54K deaths from Coronavirus alone (excluding influenza deaths) [0]. The argument that this is just part of the normal flu cycle doesn't make any sense.

[0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/case....

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by Apaec »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #40
Apaec wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data regarding number of deaths is severely tainted though. Many doctors have claimed(this is also mentioned in the OP video) that their administration pressures them for including COVID-19 in causes of death.

On the flip side I saw a short interview with a UCSF doctor that went to help out in New York where mentioned the hospital converted their cafeteria into a COVID19 ward. Not just in case but because it was full of patients on vents. No amount of Hacker News Mental Gymnastics(tm) is going to explain that away.

Well, I also saw a medical worker saying that if someone dies before testing, that will be counted as a COVID death[1].

No amount of Hacker News Mental Gymnastics(tm) is going to explain that away.

[1]:https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld/status/1254232498122428416

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by imustbeevil »

> "If you study the numbers in 2017 and 2018, we had 50 to 60 million with the flu," Erickson said. "And we had a similar death rate in the deaths the United States were 43,545"

For comparison, 1 million Americans (50x less) have had covid, and so far 59,225 have died (1.4x more) [0]. Their conclusion is that this is no worse than the flu, even though those numbers show it being more than 60x more deadly.

edit: Bringing this up from lower discussion: Even if you assume 10x more cases than reported, with 2x observed excess deaths [1], that's 10 million people sick and 100,000 dead; 5x less people sick and 2.5x more people dead than the flu.

[0] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/04/27/cov...

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by gmfawcett »

This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments.

Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by gameswithgo »

Keverw wrote: post #37
ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says right in the article: "...noted relevant comments regarding censorship that YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki had recently made. "Anything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations would be a violation of our policy ... [removal] is another really important part of of our policy," Wojcicki reportedly said."

Why trust the WHO when they are being defunded in the first place? After mismanaging and trying to cover things up? Sounds like YouTube is blindly following the WHO. I am so sick of big tech and all the censorship, privacy invasion, etc. Wish there was more alternatives but everyone will flock to what’s popular... Wish I had the resources to start alternatives, maybe headquarters in Texas where I bet they have a more…

what do you do if alex jones is ruining your life because your kids died in a school shooting?

that guy should be in jail.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by nickledave »

DanBC wrote: post #26

Here's a useful twitter thread that talks about mistakes these doctors made: https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1254481543759683584?... > What they did was simple: they looked at the fraction of patients who tested positive for #COVID19 at the clinics they own. They found 340 out of 5213 tests were postive, about 6.6% > Then they assume the same fraction of the whole population are infected.

Thank you, logged in to upvote this. These docs are committing basic errors.

6.6% infected has to be wrong. That just shows we're not testing enough to see the true, much lower, number. It's also biased because we're not randomly sampling--instead we're testing people that are already showing symptoms.

Then when that inflated number goes in the denominator, it makes it look like the fatality rate is much lower.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by eloff »

ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #6
s9w wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess the bigger question about this is what possible reasons to remove there could be. The video itself is pretty famous now and available in many places.

It says right in the article: "...noted relevant comments regarding censorship that YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki had recently made. "Anything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations would be a violation of our policy ... [removal] is another really important part of of our policy," Wojcicki reportedly said."

By that logic can they remove videos claiming masks are effective at protecting yourself and society from the virus? Because I seem to recall the WHO (or I think it was the CDC?) blatantly lying about the efficacy of masks in order to keep them available to health professionals.

I think this underscores why I'm so uncomfortable with YouTube doing censorship (or anyone doing it). The official narrative is not always right.

In fact anytime we have a new discovery in science it starts out in contrary to the official accepted explanation and only gradually and often grudgingly gains acceptance over time. If you silence dissenting voices you also silence progress. Which is maybe why China struggles to innovate compared to the West.

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