This article had more detail and substance than I usually find on TechCrunch or startup coverage in general. I do want to point out two things that bothered me in the article: 1. Using the word “raise” when talking about financing via debt seems inappropriate and very start-upy. This is a low cost of capital line of credit, is it not (due to their infrastructure and broad customer base)? 2. Why in the world are state…
> this article had more detail and substance than I usually find on TC That's because Alex Wilhelm wrote it. He was previously the editor for Crunchbase (just joined in the last few months). I've known him for years, he does great reporting that makes me incredibly envious. TC is lucky to have gotten him, he deserves Financial Times-quality media exposure.
DigitalOcean raises $100M in debt as it scales toward revenue of $300M
41–50 of 289 posts
Re: DigitalOcean raises $100M in debt as it scales toward revenue of $300M
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those are two ways to phrase the same thought, yes, but there are things about raising corporate debt which don't necessarily line up 1:1 with expectations consumers might have about borrowing money. One example, which is de rigeur for raising debt via bond issuance or for very large loans from banks, is "covenants" (restrictions on your future behavior for the duration the debt is in place), which may foreclose your…
Is there a hypothetical situation where I could broker a deal where some new investor with extremely deep pockets makes that loan go away and gives me extra money all in one transaction? 'default' means 'pay us back now or give us your collateral', right?
US consumers generally expect there to be no pre-payment penalty. That isn’t a universal feature of all loans. As to particular features of particular loans ask the really expensive lawyers or investment bankers who negotiated them, but plausibly “I owe you $45M; here’s a new equity investor; we’re done after the wire clears right.” might lead to “We agree you owe us $60M.”
Re: DigitalOcean raises $100M in debt as it scales toward revenue of $300M
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those are two ways to phrase the same thought, yes, but there are things about raising corporate debt which don't necessarily line up 1:1 with expectations consumers might have about borrowing money. One example, which is de rigeur for raising debt via bond issuance or for very large loans from banks, is "covenants" (restrictions on your future behavior for the duration the debt is in place), which may foreclose your…
Is there a hypothetical situation where I could broker a deal where some new investor with extremely deep pockets makes that loan go away and gives me extra money all in one transaction? 'default' means 'pay us back now or give us your collateral', right?
So 'going into default' just means that you've triggered a default clause in the contract, usually when you fail your side of the bargain.
So it's not necessary collateral you have to give up when you go into default. It could be, but it's going to be specific to that particular loan contract. It could be collateral, or extra fines, or you agree to sell off your assets and give a percentage back to the lending bank.
I don't know the standard details in these types of clauses that are used in big loans like this, but the vast majority of the time the bank is going to want to sit down and send in advisers and consultants and that sort of thing to help bring your company back into profitability.
So when you go into default the first thing that happens is that you are going to lose a lot of autonomy as the bank is going to want to start to take a more active role in managing the company so that they can recover their money.
Look at it this way:
If a bank makes a 10,000 dollar loan to you and you fail to pay it back... That's your problem.
However if a bank makes a 100,000,000 dollar loan and you fail to pay it back... That's THEIR problem.
This points to the major difference in consumer debt (credit cards, mortgages, student loans, car loans) vs business debt.
With business debt there is a shared liability. It's a business arrangement in which both parties.. the lender and the borrower face significant risks. So when 'shit hits the fan' they will try to work together to figure something out. They can't depend on the government to step in and try to force the other party to assume all the liability.
This is why for large businesses it's kinda silly NOT to be in debt as long as risk is carefully managed. As long as they make more money from the capital investment then the interest rates they need to pay on that laon then it's a win-win situation.
Consumer debt is vastly different. When you get a personal loan or other type of consumer loan then you have almost 100% of the liability. The banks have arranged the loan details, monitor activity via credit reporting agencies, and influenced the laws regarding personal debt so they face almost no risk.
The goods you buy with the loan don't increase in value (only common exception is home mortgages)... instead they depreciate. You are going into debt to buy future landfill.
There is very little shared liability. Because of the lack of risk on the side of the lenders then consumer debt is much more predatory.. much more dangerous to the borrower.
When it comes to student loans there is NO shared liability. You assume 100% of the risk. The banks that lend the money usually make MORE money the worse you are at paying them back.
So you can't really apply your personal experience with credit cards and car loans try to apply it to business logic.
Re: DigitalOcean raises $100M in debt as it scales toward revenue of $300M
#44DigitalOcean has raised a total of $305.4M in funding over 11 rounds. Their latest funding was raised on Dec 27, 2018 from a Secondary Market round. [1] [1] https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/digitalocean#section...
Re: DigitalOcean raises $100M in debt as it scales toward revenue of $300M
#45What is their current valuation? I wondered if google or microsoft would buy them, amazon can't due to anti-trust issues, but the others might be able to.
Getting funding as a startup is another. If you are alone in your vertical nobody wants to talk to you. If you have competition, well, then you must be doing something interesting.
Re: DigitalOcean raises $100M in debt as it scales toward revenue of $300M
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Am I correct in thinking this is an EBITA situation? You can be making money and paying it all to Uncle Sam and your bank loans. 100 million is gonna be a lot of interest payments.
Perhaps, but debt is real and you cannot be “profitable” if you are under a mountain of debt... in fact, you become insolvent if you can’t keep up with the interest payments and pay down the principal.
Re: DigitalOcean raises $100M in debt as it scales toward revenue of $300M
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
> EBITA Have you both typo'd 'EBITDA' the same way, or is `EBITDA - Depreciation` a measure used too? (I searched, couldn't find anything.)
Usually EBIT or EBITDA, I’ve never seen EBITA
Re: DigitalOcean raises $100M in debt as it scales toward revenue of $300M
#48"Spruill told TechCrunch that DigitalOcean will scale to $1 billion in revenue in the next five years, and it will become free cash flow profitable (something the CEO also referred to, loosely, as profitability) in the next two." I find this to be incredible. DO is not a speculative e-business ... they are not a social network. They are the proverbial sellers of picks and shovels during the gold rush: "The way to get…
Re: DigitalOcean raises $100M in debt as it scales toward revenue of $300M
#49Re: DigitalOcean raises $100M in debt as it scales toward revenue of $300M
#50DigitalOcean has always had loads of debt, it's how you build such a capex heavy business, you use lease lines and credit.