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The penalty for trusting a stranger who shouldn't be trusted is much higher than the other way around.
In the world of for profit corporations I rather trust MS than any of the FAANG.
For the hating Microsoft crowd, here are the projects where they are also using Rust, https://msrc-blog.microsoft.com/?s=rust And the talks done about the internal adoption, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCB19DRw_60 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o01QmYVluSw And the author from C++/WinRT is now working on Rust/WinRT. https://kennykerr.ca/2019/11/05/rust/ So lets wait a bit before going to the castle with the pitch…
It almost makes me wonder how they/we can work around that sentiment now. Either hope for generational shift to eventually kill it, or perhaps have them make a point of landing projects outside of MS and hoping nobody notices(GitHub R++ or whatever).
Tips on how others approach these discussions with Microsoft haters greatly appreciated!
The big breakthrough with Rust was ownership, and Microsoft seems to agree on that. Rust has a lot of other baggage that could be dispensed with. Of course, Microsoft has their own baggage.
Argh, they couldn't just contribute to the existing project.
Argh, you couldn't just take the time to read the actual article. "The ownership model in Verona is based on groups of objects, not like in Rust where it's based on a single object.
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Argh, you couldn't just take the time to read the actual article. "The ownership model in Verona is based on groups of objects, not like in Rust where it's based on a single object.
I did read that. So it's not a straight clone, but still, Rust has enough of an uphill battle as it is to reach wide adoption, without having its target market fragmented. So I would've been excited to see Microsoft embracing it instead of building a competitor. Not that I can necessarily judge them for that, but it's still disappointing.
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I did read that. So it's not a straight clone, but still, Rust has enough of an uphill battle as it is to reach wide adoption, without having its target market fragmented. So I would've been excited to see Microsoft embracing it instead of building a competitor. Not that I can necessarily judge them for that, but it's still disappointing.
Having rust as the only low level language with ownership concept isn't ideal either.
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Still living in the 2000s, I see.
For the hating Microsoft crowd, here are the projects where they are also using Rust, https://msrc-blog.microsoft.com/?s=rust And the talks done about the internal adoption, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCB19DRw_60 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o01QmYVluSw And the author from C++/WinRT is now working on Rust/WinRT. https://kennykerr.ca/2019/11/05/rust/ So lets wait a bit before going to the castle with the pitch…
As a big proponent of F# it annoys me how much one still needs to fight "but M$" arguments if I point out a thing that F# does well. The same thing seems to happen when discussing Haskell with people who know just enough to recognise the influence MSR employees have on it. It almost makes me wonder how they/we can work around that sentiment now. Either hope for generational shift to eventually kill it, or perhaps hav…
I try to be objective as much as possible, but having witnessed almost all of Microsoft’s behavior through history, we have been fooled 100s if not 1000s of times. How many times do you let the fox back into the hen house?
The only thing I think when I read recent “Microsoft is so great” comments is that the person is either too young to have any real knowledge, or they have simply not been paying attention for the past few decades.
For anyone who has seen what they have done through all of history, it will take decades to believe they have truly changed.
What does "Rust-based" even mean? Inspired by Rust? Does it transpile to Rust or something? Very confusing phrasing to me...