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Nautilus to be acquired by an investor group of fans

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Re: Nautilus to be acquired by an investor group of fans

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Nautilus was good when they started but at some point they seemed to switch to the sort of frothy, inspirational pop-science-as-spiritualism dreck that belongs in Newsweek or Fox News, but with a tiny bit more depth

On top of the content, I was a paid subscriber during 2017-2018, and I received maybe 20% of the editions I was supposed to receive. Probably due to international shipping and their liquidity problems, but it still felt bad.

I never received my issues, so I disputed on PayPal. They never responded to the dispute so I won it automatically after a month or whatever it was. Then, a year later, I received some issues in the mail. Bizarre.

Re: Nautilus to be acquired by an investor group of fans

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think ownership groups aren't uncommon in the small business world (as in not-startups, like family businesses). Totally different world but that's how sports teams' acquisitions are handled these days.

Wow, that's fascinating -- I don't know too much about sports team acquisitions but it's pretty cool if that's how they work. If this is something you know more about, would you mind going into more detail about how that works?

The valuation of sports teams for the big 4 (and especially big 3 in terms of big numbers) has skyrocketed. It is quite possible from here on out that no NBA or MLB team will be sold for less than $1B total valuation. And no NFL team for under $2B. It’s a lot for individuals to pay. It’s rare for teams to be owned by companies or funds like the NBA’s Toronto Raptors. But even that holding company has one guy owning a third of it. Or NFL’s Green Bay Packers being a public company.

Most leagues also have requirements for how much of the team can be paid for with debt, loans, etc. For a perspective on how crazy the skyrocketing valuations are, NBA and MLB teams outside major markets were going for under $500M and NFL teams for way under $1B. Major market teams were still going for a lot like NFL’s Washington DC Redskins went for over a billion 20 years ago, but even just five years ago the NBA’s Milwaukee Bucks went for around $500M. Now that they have a new stadium, sometimes that stuff is conditional on the purchase, their value has probably doubled (along with currently being a championship contender with an MVP superstar entering his prime).

At this point, almost no individuals can take on a whole team purchase on their own. Or be able to pay up a higher price on their own. Exceptions are also people wildly richer than most owners like Steve Ballmer who’s around top 15 richest people and paid handsomely for the NBA’s LA Clippers, though he will also profit off it as well. Many, if not most, current big 3 majority owners would not be able to afford their own team if you looked at their net worth outside the team.

Re: Nautilus to be acquired by an investor group of fans

#43
I really like Nautilus. I have been subscriber in the past, I got my magazines and they were awesome. I am worried they might lose quality once they need to produce profit, however "fan" those investors are.

But that is life and if they do, there will be something else.

Re: Nautilus to be acquired by an investor group of fans

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post #7

Am I reading this correctly? It sounds like a group of angel investors. Not "superfans."

The two terms are not mutually exclusive.

Sure. But like talked about above, sports teams are also usually bought by fans. It would be weird to state those purchases that way though.

Re: Nautilus to be acquired by an investor group of fans

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> several smaller and successful subscription-based magazines: ... the economist, ... Maybe I am misreading, but did you mean to imply that The Economist is a 'small' newspaper? It has been around since the 1840s.

compared to the best known subscription success stories -- the NYT, WP -- it certainly seems significantly smaller. but i agree, that comparison isn't very valid, it's certainly a heavyweight amongst magazines.

Is WP WaPo or something else? WaPo went for only a few hundred million when sold. Economist around the same time was valued 3-5x more at $1B. Did WaPo turn things around that much? Economist is mostly owned by super rich elite families, so prestige would’ve entered what they paid too. But WaPo was purchased by Bezos so not likely he was super skimpy on the price (even being considerably “poorer” back then)

Re: Nautilus to be acquired by an investor group of fans

#46

I spent $100 on subscriptions a couple Christmases ago. Never received any product nor was I able to get in contact with anyone at the company. Really turned me off since I was a big fan of their content and already had a yearly subscription.

Wow that is really disappointing. I recently picked up a copy myself and really liked the print magazine. I was debating subscribing but there are several people in the comment section with the same story about not receiving issues.

Re: Nautilus to be acquired by an investor group of fans

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post #21

Actually it is one of the best file explorers out there, I'm sure they will take in on the right track.

This is one of those rare occasions that it might be worth your while to read the actual article...

Given numerous uses of the term, a modicum of specificity in the title would help. There are even multiple publishing-related instances.

Though as a science fictional character myself, I'm partial to Vernes's. Which might make for an even more interesting story ;-)

"Nautilus Magazine" being a good start.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus_(disambiguation)

Re: Nautilus to be acquired by an investor group of fans

#48

I spent $100 on subscriptions a couple Christmases ago. Never received any product nor was I able to get in contact with anyone at the company. Really turned me off since I was a big fan of their content and already had a yearly subscription.

I'm sorry you were not able to get through to us...or to get your magazines. Please send your details to me at john.steele@nautilusdigitalmedia.com and we will make it right.

Re: Nautilus to be acquired by an investor group of fans

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post #6
post #3

So it becomes a business, which will focus on generating profit from the magazine, thus Nautilus will become yet another bog standard science magazine subjected to the same structures as other magazines. And we all know that consumers don't fork enough money to support ads-free journalism, which leads to perverse incentives.

> hus Nautilus will become yet another bog standard science magazine ~subjected to the same structures as other magazines~ that will hopefully pay its contributors now! https://undark.org/2017/12/13/freelance-writers-nautilus-pay...

Part of the acquisition includes a plan to pay all the contributors debt in full.

Re: Nautilus to be acquired by an investor group of fans

#50

Nautilus was good when they started but at some point they seemed to switch to the sort of frothy, inspirational pop-science-as-spiritualism dreck that belongs in Newsweek or Fox News, but with a tiny bit more depth

> inspirational pop-science-as-spiritualism

This is the best description of this type of science writing I've encountered.

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