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“Dune” Endures (2013)

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Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by s_Hogg »

pmoriarty wrote: post #25

"One winter evening, I heard him read my mother a passage about a young man named Paul Atreides who was forced to place his hand into the blackness of a box while an old woman, the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, held a poison needle at his neck, the gom jabbar. Though I didn't realize it at the time, this was the opening chapter of Dune. Pauls' hand would feel intense pain, the wrinkled crone told him, but if he…

Why is Brian Herbert as lucid as this talking about his dad, but so terrible when trying to write a book following on from his work? Bit of a puzzle to me.

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Post by s_Hogg »

ekianjo wrote: post #5
tschellenbach wrote: post #2

You can download the original Dune game and play it on your macbook: https://gamesnostalgia.com/game/dune One of my all time favorite games, played it on the amiga originally

the DUNE spice opera soundtrack from the game from Stephane Picq is still very nice to listen to as well.

The Dune 2 soundtrack is still my favourite video game OST.

Even allowing for the fact that it doesn't faithfully replicate the Dune universe (e.g. House Ordos exists in the game) - some of the music is great for looking at Dune through a different set of eyes. As an example of this, the track "Prophecy part 1" kind of feels like there's a mundane reality that the coming of a saviour inhabits and it doesn't go away as a result of the saviour's presence.[1] Even better, this doesn't have to be the only interpretation of the track or any of the others in the soundtrack. It's wonderful.

[1] https://youtu.be/UlQDWzeWuKg?list=PL738DEE2001BC5C1C&t=19

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by thelazydogsback »

cannonedhamster wrote: post #8
Animats wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last Dune movie (1984) didn't do it. "It's like The Last Airbender, but with sand."

I might be in the minority but I liked the Dune movie. It introduced the universe, how it worked, had a solid cast. The movie is clearly one from the 80s with it's dedication to atmosphere.

I also really enjoyed the movie for the most part. More than any most movies from a book I read first, it really captured the spirit of the universe to an amazing degree. The just need to get rid of the the added cruft that wasn't in the book.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by hitekker »

s_Hogg wrote: post #41
pmoriarty wrote: post #25

"One winter evening, I heard him read my mother a passage about a young man named Paul Atreides who was forced to place his hand into the blackness of a box while an old woman, the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, held a poison needle at his neck, the gom jabbar. Though I didn't realize it at the time, this was the opening chapter of Dune. Pauls' hand would feel intense pain, the wrinkled crone told him, but if he…

Why is Brian Herbert as lucid as this talking about his dad, but so terrible when trying to write a book following on from his work? Bit of a puzzle to me.

Not an answer and yet somehow more than answer: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/61611068?book_show_act...

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by sli »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #9
koboll wrote: post #4

>As David Itzkoff noted in 2006, what’s curious about “Dune” ’s stature is that it has not penetrated popular culture in the way that “The Lord of the Rings” and “Star Wars” have. There are no “Dune” conventions. Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The movie next year oughta do it, if the star-studded cast and acclaimed director are any indication.

> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. What an odd framing. True, perhaps, but what about from the 1984 movie? > "The spice must flow!" > "If you walk without rhythm, you won't attract the worm" > "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion." Fra…

> ... what catchphrases from LOTR were (are?) remotely commonplace?

"And my axe!" was common enough for a while. Less so now but it's still around. LOTR memes that rely on single lines with varying popularity are pretty common but that's probably stretching it.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by ianai »

dang wrote: post #34
siddboots wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Wheels within wheels" is a biblical reference. https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/1-16.htm Edit: It comes up in country songs sometimes, e.g. https://youtu.be/g6a9sYiBtlM?t=539

And here! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_VsfvRaF5s

That’s probably where Herbert got the quote. He studied a lot of mythos to write the books.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by Scoundreller »

song wrote: post #3
tschellenbach wrote: post #2

You can download the original Dune game and play it on your macbook: https://gamesnostalgia.com/game/dune One of my all time favorite games, played it on the amiga originally

Interestingly both dune and dune 2 were released around the same time and both are amazing. Dune 2 created the rts genre while Dune was a wonderful combination of adventure and strategy. For Dune, I'd recommend the CD version https://www.freegameempire.com/games/Dune-CD There's a great series of articles on Filfre about both games and the Dune universe https://www.filfre.net/2018/11/controlling-the-spice-part-1-...

And some nice drum and bass sampling/quoting here:

DJ Aphrodite - Spice ( Of The Gods Remix )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Td5sSdbRQE

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by dragonwriter »

richk449 wrote: post #11

Author seems overly dismissive of the sequels. While they aren’t as great as the first, many of them are still very good books with interesting ideas. The stuff written by others (not Frank Herbert) on the other hand, does seem to be dreck based on my sampling.

> Author seems overly dismissive of the sequels.

The author admits to having given up after the fourth book, God Emporer of Dune, which is, to be fair, a fairly radical shift from the original trilogy. I can see it putting off someone deeply invested in the original.

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Post by ggm »

609venezia wrote: post #26
_qwfv wrote: post #7

> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The spice must flow? Fear is the mind killer? Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things…

These phrases are probably much more popular among the Hacker News reading crowd than the broader culture, I would bet.

I would bet you were wrong. These are common memetic phrases and probably exist in the Simpsons. S.F is normal and everyone knows the film. Sting in a metal bikini

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by doc_gunthrop »

catalogia wrote: post #33
airstrike wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fear is the mind killer? "Fear is the mind-killer," whispers Paul Atreides. "So is this movie," groaned the critics. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/03/th...

There are some fan edits that improve the movie dramatically. My preference is "Alternative Edition Redux" . It used to be available archive.org, though I'm sure it's still floating around the net somewhere.

That was the version that combined the original theatrical release version, the director's cut, and a bunch of other scenes that were cut out.

There's one scene that they put back in, toward the end, where Thufir Hawat pulls out his own heart plug; very emotional scene that IMO they should've kept in the original.

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