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Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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As a result, throughout my childhood—and most of my adulthood—we mostly contended with a slim parade of different, sometimes contradictory, caricatures: lotus blossoms and dragon ladies, math nerds and martial artists, refugees and gang-bangers. Ad nauseum. The amount of presumption that I have to deal with from strangers on a regular basis is still disturbing. Such interactions only comprise a small fraction of the…

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Anybody want to weigh in on why Asians give their kids Western first names in the US? Why don't they use Chinese first names? Why don't they change their last names also? Serious question.

In addition to the reasons given by others, Chinese culture is accustomed to associate multiple names to a person, a name given by the parents when young, nickname among friends, another name when one enters adulthood, a pen name when one publishes something. Having a Christian name is just another one that makes life easier in another culture setting.

Indians shorten their names sometime to make it easier for others to pronounce. I have Indian friends who have really long names that I couldn't pronounce fully and they all said just use the short names.

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Anybody want to weigh in on why Asians give their kids Western first names in the US? Why don't they use Chinese first names? Why don't they change their last names also? Serious question.

Fitting in. That's really it. As someone who immigrated to the west rather young, I'm really fucking glad my parents gave me a western first name.

How do the Chinese name their children? By throwing their kitchenware down the stairs. Yeah, I'm really glad I wasn't one of the many Asians who had to suffer through that shitty joke throughout their adolescence (and beyond!)

Last name remains unchanged because few people use your last name as a general moniker. Also, your first name has no ancestral or family implications so is fair game, whereas your last name is special in some way.

I do know some Asians who have changed their last names though. Some by accident (immigration screwup, tranposing first/last names, etc).

Re: Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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Anybody want to weigh in on why Asians give their kids Western first names in the US? Why don't they use Chinese first names? Why don't they change their last names also? Serious question.

I'm not Asian but my family changed their family name upon immigration. Nobody since has ever used any "traditional" first names, either. This is because the language of my ancestors uses a bunch of letters and sounds that don't exist in American English. I assumed that is the same reason Asians do it.

However, I have always been curious as to why Asian women have the names of white grandmas from the 1950s. The only Esthers I know are my great aunt and every other Korean-American I've ever met.

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Anybody want to weigh in on why Asians give their kids Western first names in the US? Why don't they use Chinese first names? Why don't they change their last names also? Serious question.

Several reasons: - a lot of Asian families are Christian, so they get Christian names - racism and discrimination. "li guo" just isn't as cool as "pierre" - there's no real great way to spell a lot of Asian names, so might as well just adopt a Western name - many Asian children have an Asian name and a Westerner name. Both are valid aliases for the person.

Also, many people have trouble pronouncing foreign names particularly those that don't come from an english background. Much easier to give your western name than watch someone mangle pronouncing your name several times and still get it wrong.

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This observation hit me like a two-by-four: "The Immigration Act of 1965... created preference categories for science, math and engineering-trained immigrants to come over. [Asian countries] were producing a surplus of college-educated adults but lacked a sufficiently developed domestic economy to adequately absorb them. The 1965 Immigration Act, in trying to bolster America's own domestic needs, inadvertently helped…

Contrast that with for 60 years before that, we had this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act Later extended to cover all Asian immigrants. There was certainly demand to emigrate to the US, but it was forbidden. This act alone I think goes a long, long way to explaining why Asian Americans are a fairly recent phenomenon and "weird" to American culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy

Just to let you know, you're not alone there as a country.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure I know what you're getting at, but do you mind expounding on your thoughts previous to discovering this information?

Previously, my somewhat-nebulous thoughts on this were: there's definitely a math/sci stereotype about Asians; don't read too much into stereotypes; but Asians really are disproportionately represented among the math/sci fields; what on earth would explain it if not a genetic and/or cultural bias? >cognitive dissonance As I said, nebulous ; I hadn't really pursued the line of thought very far, just tangentially as it…

Thanks for the response. I'm very concerned about the state of education in inner cities, but often I see arguments that use IQ in relation to Asian Americans as a reason why students in the black/latino communities have not achieved.

I know about the immigration act's effect on the Asian American population because I was an Asian/Asian American Studies major. That your comment received so many upvotes explains some of why these beliefs are so pervasive.

Moreover, our curricula are incredibly tone deaf if this major shift in the American population isn't required knowledge for passing American history.

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The author points out something he may not have even intended: that parenting might not matter at all, despite the raging discussions about which parenting style is better. In fact, lots of research on twins and adopted children suggests that parenting matters very little in shaping a child's personality and skills, while biology and peer groups matter a lot. Identical twins turn out quite similar regardless of wheth…

I have a hard time accepting it because there is significant evidence to the contrary:

http://www.cdc.gov/ace/findings.htm

http://www.frasermustardchair.ca/resources/what-does-the-evi...

Re: Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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The author points out something he may not have even intended: that parenting might not matter at all, despite the raging discussions about which parenting style is better. In fact, lots of research on twins and adopted children suggests that parenting matters very little in shaping a child's personality and skills, while biology and peer groups matter a lot. Identical twins turn out quite similar regardless of wheth…

I have a hard time accepting it because there is significant evidence to the contrary: http://www.cdc.gov/ace/findings.htm http://www.frasermustardchair.ca/resources/what-does-the-evi...

From what I could tell, the links you posted are no evidence to the contrary.

First, child abuse is beyond what most would call "parenting"; that term is mostly applied to things like strictness with respect to school homework, video games, pressure to choose certain careers, etc. My argument was that those of us that care about giving their children the best should not sweat too much over where precisely to draw the lines, because the effect of these decisions on the child's personality and life outcome is minimal.

Second, it is very possible that the same genes that increase the chance of a person being a child abuser also increase the chance of their child being, say, an alcoholic or criminal.

Re: Notes of a native tiger son: it's a weird time to be Asian-American

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a hard time accepting it because there is significant evidence to the contrary: http://www.cdc.gov/ace/findings.htm http://www.frasermustardchair.ca/resources/what-does-the-evi...

From what I could tell, the links you posted are no evidence to the contrary. First, child abuse is beyond what most would call "parenting"; that term is mostly applied to things like strictness with respect to school homework, video games, pressure to choose certain careers, etc. My argument was that those of us that care about giving their children the best should not sweat too much over where precisely to draw the…

  "Lulu handed me her 'surprise', which turned out to be a card,"
  writes Chua in her explosive new memoir... "More accurately, it was
  a piece of paper folded crookedly in half, with a big happy face on
  the front. Inside, 'Happy Birthday, Mummy! Love, Lulu' was scrawled
  in crayon above another happy face. I gave the card back to Lulu. 'I
  don't want this,' I said. 'I want a better one – one that you've put
  some thought and effort into. I have a special box, where I keep all
  my cards from you and Sophia, and this one can't go in there.' I
  grabbed the card again and flipped it over. I pulled out a pen and
  scrawled 'Happy Birthday Lulu Whoopee!' I added a big sour face. …
  'I reject this.'"
I would certainly call that child abuse, although I suppose Chua would call it "parenting"? To coerce Lulu into piano practice, Chua prevented her from using the washroom, and withheld food and affection until she could perform to her mother's satisfaction. That would qualify as abuse according the Adverse Childhood Experience Study. A lot of child abuse is rationalized by the perpetrator as just "strictness".
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