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Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by it_can_be_done »

useerup wrote: post #30
rando444 wrote: post #21

Under the GDPR, each country has a Data Protection Authority set up in order to enforce and supervise these rules. The author needs to contact his country's DPA and they will be the ones to drop the hammer on Facebook. Facebook might not listen to an end user, but European governmental authorities have the power to force them to. It's the only logical next step in my opinion.

Ah no. The EU countries have agreed, that the home country of the organization (not the country of the data subject) will take the lead in any GDPR enforcement. Facebook in EU is registered in Ireland. Ireland is making a mockery of GDPR, slow walking investigations while paying lip service to GDPR. Ireland is a leech. They've figured out that they can attract global companies through very lenient tax auditing and (n…

This is wrong, in every country there is national data protection authority who you should contact.

"EU countries have set up national bodies responsible for protecting personal data in accordance with Article 8(3) of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the EU." Source: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/data... https://edpb.europa.eu/about-edpb/board/members_en

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by Angostura »

panglott wrote: post #38
reaperducer wrote: post #11

It's a very interesting web page. But it would be better told without all the sarcasm and invective. I understand the author's need to vent his spleen, but he should create a second, more black-and-white version that comes off as more credible and is less easily dismissed.

How does tone policing the author offer any insight into the argument at issue here?

One person's 'tone policing' is another person's 'advice on how to most effectivly get your point across'.

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by rubenverborgh »

koboll wrote: post #25

It seems like Facebook has staked out a legal position on this. A dubious one likely to fail and doubtless designed mostly to buy time, but a legal position nonetheless, which will only be struck down by a court, not an email reply chain. You had me up until the legalese email, after which the correct response is to sue. You lost me with the belligerent reply ranting about what Mark said in the Washington Post. It se…

No worries, that e-mail is definitely not my only response. Not putting all my cards on the table yet.

Grandstanding is not my goal; it's a means of attracting attention to a matter that people have been desensitized to. A secondary goal is to cause internal escalation. In the end, I really just want my data, as way to create a path for myself and others.

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by mugsie »

politelemon wrote: post #19
reaperducer wrote: post #11

It's a very interesting web page. But it would be better told without all the sarcasm and invective. I understand the author's need to vent his spleen, but he should create a second, more black-and-white version that comes off as more credible and is less easily dismissed.

What stood out to me is that the author does have an inflated sense of self importance > And let’s not pretend that it’s a big cost to you: getting the listed data about a single person is about the simplest query you can write. (Did I mention I’m a data scientist?) And that particular trait emerges quite a bit throughout the correspondence. Where the author labels things as reasonable, I open the link only to find a…

That is fine though - I doubt they would have made any further headway if they were calm and polite.

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by rubenverborgh »

politelemon wrote: post #19
reaperducer wrote: post #11

It's a very interesting web page. But it would be better told without all the sarcasm and invective. I understand the author's need to vent his spleen, but he should create a second, more black-and-white version that comes off as more credible and is less easily dismissed.

What stood out to me is that the author does have an inflated sense of self importance > And let’s not pretend that it’s a big cost to you: getting the listed data about a single person is about the simplest query you can write. (Did I mention I’m a data scientist?) And that particular trait emerges quite a bit throughout the correspondence. Where the author labels things as reasonable, I open the link only to find a…

Trust me, I don't take myself too seriously ;-)

Facebook responds with an overload of legal nonsense to discourage people from replying. I overload them with a lot of non-legal nonsense. In the end I just want my data—it's my legal right.

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by rubenverborgh »

rando444 wrote: post #21

Under the GDPR, each country has a Data Protection Authority set up in order to enforce and supervise these rules. The author needs to contact his country's DPA and they will be the ones to drop the hammer on Facebook. Facebook might not listen to an end user, but European governmental authorities have the power to force them to. It's the only logical next step in my opinion.

Exactly.

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by mugsie »

useerup wrote: post #30
rando444 wrote: post #21

Under the GDPR, each country has a Data Protection Authority set up in order to enforce and supervise these rules. The author needs to contact his country's DPA and they will be the ones to drop the hammer on Facebook. Facebook might not listen to an end user, but European governmental authorities have the power to force them to. It's the only logical next step in my opinion.

Ah no. The EU countries have agreed, that the home country of the organization (not the country of the data subject) will take the lead in any GDPR enforcement. Facebook in EU is registered in Ireland. Ireland is making a mockery of GDPR, slow walking investigations while paying lip service to GDPR. Ireland is a leech. They've figured out that they can attract global companies through very lenient tax auditing and (n…

> Ireland is a leech.

Eh, a leech that took the brunt of the real estate crunch for the EU? A leech would have let the German banks fold instead of paying bond holders.

> Ireland is making a mockery of GDPR, slow walking investigations while paying lip service to GDPR.

Slow walking is pushing it - the agreement to allow home countries be the enforcement authority put a massive burden on a really small country and its civil service. Ireland's population is 4.7 (about 1/2 that of London on its own). Our DPC offices are overwhelmed by the number of requests, and hiring people to deal with the uptick is taking time. We also have a lot of the majorly complex GDPR cases, as we have FB, GOOG, MSFT, etc, along with a ... interesting ... relationship with the Catholic Church, which has ... views ... on what the GDPR means for them.

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