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Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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This is a terrible idea. The last thing I want is for an advertising company that makes its living off personal data that they gather about me to be able to reliably link that data to my real identity. I think that in general embedding legally-empowered digital IDs (in the form of certificates, not pictures of physical ID cards, mind you) in mobile phones is a good idea, but it ceases to be a good idea when your phon…

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Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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Is there a way to opt out of this or should I buy an iPhone?

Most likely, it will be added as a per-app permission like everything else. Like location and contact information, there will be apps that use dark patterns which ask for this by default and just bank on enough people being lazy enough to just click through when they install FlappyBirdsGo2020.

Google will shrug its shoulders and blame its users for not being responsible and for 'bad actors' who were in no way enabled by the Goog's primary objective of maximizing its stock price.

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way to do one-to-one identity verification and authentication without centralized coordination and control. Just as an example, even if we really wanted to there'd be now way to let only one CA issue a certificate for a domain if any of the CAs is rogue.

There is no easy way. What is an important distinction, since there exist situations when even hard to follow procedures are better than a centralized option. Those are just not your daily "how do I know if I can show you my credit card" situations.

There's no cryptographically secure way as far as I'm aware.

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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It's weird to see all these crutches and half-assed fixes instead of lobbying and other work done to fix the ID situation in the US. It's really unfathomable to me how big of a problem identity theft and unauthorized access to digital systems for a regular citizen is. Especially compared to what for example Estonia has built, where I really do not have to worry about that issue - I have to have my ID card (or my mobi…

There's a very vocal minority that views any attempt by the government to make any ID proof that the New World Order exists. There's also a pretty decent sized part of the Evangelical movement that sees those IDs as potentially the literal "mark of the beast" from revelations. Additionally a part of the Republican strategy is to disenfranchise via selectively reducing access to valid existing IDs while cranking up vo…

You are conveniently leaving out the fact that many liberal Democrats also don't want national ids because it might hurt illegal immigrants, prevent voter fraud, etc.

I can't help but cringe whenever politically motivated people throw around talking points they heard on their favorite disinformation cable network.

The reason why we don't have a proper national id card is primarily a result of state's rights vs fed rights and to prevent centralization of power. But centralization of power has happened regardless so I'm sure we'll be getting national id cards eventually.

Historically, it was the Democrats ( the party of the South ) who were anti-national id card. The republicans were the party of the northeast elites. So if you want to blame anyone, blame the democratic party because they are why we don't have a national id card system.

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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It's weird to see all these crutches and half-assed fixes instead of lobbying and other work done to fix the ID situation in the US. It's really unfathomable to me how big of a problem identity theft and unauthorized access to digital systems for a regular citizen is. Especially compared to what for example Estonia has built, where I really do not have to worry about that issue - I have to have my ID card (or my mobi…

Your talking about "identity theft" as if it's an unquestionable concept demonstrates precisely why there is opposition to strengthening the technicals of identification. Every bit that makes identification stronger is yet another excuse for businesses to assert that it is infallible. Even currently, rather than banks simply admitting they were defrauded and thanking/compensating the innocent bystanders for helping t…

> they keep pushing this "identity theft" narrative to make it seem like the unlucky victims of bank's incompetence have some sort of intrinsic involvement!

But how is it that it's not really a problem in Estonia, where we have strongly e-identity attached to a citizen. Or are you saying our banks, institutions, telecom and other companies are somehow more competent?

You also have SSNs which is a government-mandated ID system that keeps you as rows in a database. Stop the holier-than-thou please.

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a very vocal minority that views any attempt by the government to make any ID proof that the New World Order exists. There's also a pretty decent sized part of the Evangelical movement that sees those IDs as potentially the literal "mark of the beast" from revelations. Additionally a part of the Republican strategy is to disenfranchise via selectively reducing access to valid existing IDs while cranking up vo…

You are conveniently leaving out the fact that many liberal Democrats also don't want national ids because it might hurt illegal immigrants, prevent voter fraud, etc. I can't help but cringe whenever politically motivated people throw around talking points they heard on their favorite disinformation cable network. The reason why we don't have a proper national id card is primarily a result of state's rights vs fed ri…

At least in the conservative community where I grew up, the religious "mark-of-the-beast/new world order" narrative was the main anti-national ID narrative. I'd never heard the illegal immigrant angle before.

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a very vocal minority that views any attempt by the government to make any ID proof that the New World Order exists. There's also a pretty decent sized part of the Evangelical movement that sees those IDs as potentially the literal "mark of the beast" from revelations. Additionally a part of the Republican strategy is to disenfranchise via selectively reducing access to valid existing IDs while cranking up vo…

You are conveniently leaving out the fact that many liberal Democrats also don't want national ids because it might hurt illegal immigrants, prevent voter fraud, etc. I can't help but cringe whenever politically motivated people throw around talking points they heard on their favorite disinformation cable network. The reason why we don't have a proper national id card is primarily a result of state's rights vs fed ri…

Ironic. The "Democrats are trying to allow voter fraud" is itself a talking point from your favorite source of disinformation.

And calling the Republicans of the 19th century the party of "Northeast elites" is exceedingly historically inaccurate. The Democrats were as well, and the only reason why Lincoln won originally was that there was a party split in the Democratic party that year. The Democrats nominated two candidates (one northern and one southern) and split their vote. Not to mention that the initial push for a national ID card was during FDRs presidency, who was probably the strongest centralized government technocrat president we've ever had, _and_ a Democrat. And all of that is ignoring the southern strategy, and who's fighting which sides of these issues today.

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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post #35

This is a terrible idea. The last thing I want is for an advertising company that makes its living off personal data that they gather about me to be able to reliably link that data to my real identity. I think that in general embedding legally-empowered digital IDs (in the form of certificates, not pictures of physical ID cards, mind you) in mobile phones is a good idea, but it ceases to be a good idea when your phon…

They already have a payments platform and app store that requires a linking, which is more than adequate for highly targeted advertising. I really think that civic engagement and petitioning law makers to protect our privacy is the main tool we have to get out of these impending messes.

You can use the app store without setting up payments.

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a very vocal minority that views any attempt by the government to make any ID proof that the New World Order exists. There's also a pretty decent sized part of the Evangelical movement that sees those IDs as potentially the literal "mark of the beast" from revelations. Additionally a part of the Republican strategy is to disenfranchise via selectively reducing access to valid existing IDs while cranking up vo…

You are conveniently leaving out the fact that many liberal Democrats also don't want national ids because it might hurt illegal immigrants, prevent voter fraud, etc. I can't help but cringe whenever politically motivated people throw around talking points they heard on their favorite disinformation cable network. The reason why we don't have a proper national id card is primarily a result of state's rights vs fed ri…

> prevent voter fraud

Actual recorded voter fraud of the kind that would be prevented by voter ID laws is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent [1], while we have direct quotes from Republican legislators and legislative aides about the intent to suppress minority votes with voter ID laws [2].

[1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/13/th...

[2]: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/some-republicans-ackno...

> Historically, it was the Democrats ( the party of the South ) who were anti-national id card

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

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