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Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you curios how it's done check here: https://infinite-scroll.com/

Interesting. I'm wondering what the benefit of infinite scrolling would be for the site owner. Wouldn't an article site like this want the user to click as many links within the site as possible to re-generate ads?

I am guessing the same mechanism that allows them to change the url on scroll, would be used to change/reload the ads as well.

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you curios how it's done check here: https://infinite-scroll.com/

Interesting. I'm wondering what the benefit of infinite scrolling would be for the site owner. Wouldn't an article site like this want the user to click as many links within the site as possible to re-generate ads?

I don't think ALL of the ads are generated when you load the original page. The ads corresponding to the second article are loaded when the second article loads.

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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> Google would likely launch this functionality with Pixel devices first and then convince other Android makers to play ball. We’re easily a few years away from people using their Android devices as IDs.

Any Android announcement that seems useful or valuable is always several years away for most of the Android devices in use.

I read another article about “Project Mainline”, which is about getting security fixes quicker to devices directly from Google. That one also had a similar statement.

If Google spent a little less effort on tracking and advertising, and more on making the platform secure and consistent across more devices, that’d be good for everybody (since low priced phones are mostly Android, and are used by people who cannot or do not want to spend a lot of money).

This [1] is an old talk by Christopher Soghoian that still rings true today (with added privacy goofs by Google revealed in the meantime).

[1]: https://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_soghoian_your_smartpho...

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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I wonder about the due process implications for this at, say, a traffic stop. If you hand a police officer your phone to show them your driver's license, is that implicit consent to search your phone? Will the ID-showing mode be special in that it will allow the holder to see the ID, but the rest of the phone will remain locked? I like that they're looking for ways to make it so you still have access to ID documents…

You can already make an App impossible to leave without re-entering a PIN. This feature is available on both Android and iOS.

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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post #12

I wonder about the due process implications for this at, say, a traffic stop. If you hand a police officer your phone to show them your driver's license, is that implicit consent to search your phone? Will the ID-showing mode be special in that it will allow the holder to see the ID, but the rest of the phone will remain locked? I like that they're looking for ways to make it so you still have access to ID documents…

They mentioned there are ways to access the ID in different ways if needed, i.e. you could allow NFC'ing the ID even if the phone battery is dead, so they will probably have a way to access the ID without unlocking your phone entirely. Kind of like how you double-tap the power button to turn on the phone camera, but you can't access the phone's photos without unlocking.

This is great to hear. Would suck to get a ticket for driving without a license if your phone was dead.

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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It's weird to see all these crutches and half-assed fixes instead of lobbying and other work done to fix the ID situation in the US. It's really unfathomable to me how big of a problem identity theft and unauthorized access to digital systems for a regular citizen is. Especially compared to what for example Estonia has built, where I really do not have to worry about that issue - I have to have my ID card (or my mobi…

There are a ton of individuals and big companies in tech working through standardization bodies to create an identity layer for the internet, that no single organization is in control over. Google is not among them.

A link to the ISO Standard Google is waiting for approval on: https://www.iso.org/standard/69084.html

Examples of organizations working to solve identity problems, rather than compound them:

https://www.weboftrust.info/

https://identity.foundation/

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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It's weird to see all these crutches and half-assed fixes instead of lobbying and other work done to fix the ID situation in the US. It's really unfathomable to me how big of a problem identity theft and unauthorized access to digital systems for a regular citizen is. Especially compared to what for example Estonia has built, where I really do not have to worry about that issue - I have to have my ID card (or my mobi…

Its easier to gripe about "evil $otherparty" and vent righteous anger at the corporate written and backed ideas that get submitted, than it would be to draft legislation implementing a sensible and sound open public ID system and get some Congresscritter to actually get it to the floor.

There might have been some efforts that I'm unaware of but that I haven't heard of them suggests they didn't get far. It doesn't help that there's not yet an elegant, eloquently defined notion of what such a system should be that an advocate could point to and say "see? this will solve all your problems". We got hucksters yelling blockchain but that's a different thing.

Re: Google Is Bringing Electronic IDs to Android

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It's weird to see all these crutches and half-assed fixes instead of lobbying and other work done to fix the ID situation in the US. It's really unfathomable to me how big of a problem identity theft and unauthorized access to digital systems for a regular citizen is. Especially compared to what for example Estonia has built, where I really do not have to worry about that issue - I have to have my ID card (or my mobi…

There are a ton of individuals and big companies in tech working through standardization bodies to create an identity layer for the internet, that no single organization is in control over. Google is not among them. A link to the ISO Standard Google is waiting for approval on: https://www.iso.org/standard/69084.html Examples of organizations working to solve identity problems, rather than compound them: https://www.w…

There's no way to do one-to-one identity verification and authentication without centralized coordination and control. Just as an example, even if we really wanted to there'd be now way to let only one CA issue a certificate for a domain if any of the CAs is rogue.
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