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If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Post by Asooka »

TomMarius wrote: post #35
Illniyar wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you can lose your job or means of making money in some countries, but you can't get bankrupted by paying for treatment in countries with universal healthcare (or even close to it). Most developed countries also have some measures of social security in cases where you lose your job so that even that is rare.

There are just a few (under 5) countries in the world where you will get the same treatment for "free" as you'd get in the US. The price is >65% taxation. In most of these "universal healthcare" countries, it's not that easy - a healthcare "insurance" is deducted from your wage, if you don't work, you have to pay it out of pocket (mandatory, but cheap - around $100 monthly). Social security programmes are useful just…

I'm sorry for your loss, but you have to stop pretending that Florida is not part of the USA.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Post by wildebaard »

TomMarius wrote: post #35
Illniyar wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you can lose your job or means of making money in some countries, but you can't get bankrupted by paying for treatment in countries with universal healthcare (or even close to it). Most developed countries also have some measures of social security in cases where you lose your job so that even that is rare.

There are just a few (under 5) countries in the world where you will get the same treatment for "free" as you'd get in the US. The price is >65% taxation. In most of these "universal healthcare" countries, it's not that easy - a healthcare "insurance" is deducted from your wage, if you don't work, you have to pay it out of pocket (mandatory, but cheap - around $100 monthly). Social security programmes are useful just…

I think most people do not see how this is somehow worse than being bankrupted for being sick. For the record, I don't either. I'll eat my dry bread if it means I can then continue to not spend the rest of my life paying back the bills.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Post by peteretep »

TomMarius wrote: post #35
Illniyar wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you can lose your job or means of making money in some countries, but you can't get bankrupted by paying for treatment in countries with universal healthcare (or even close to it). Most developed countries also have some measures of social security in cases where you lose your job so that even that is rare.

There are just a few (under 5) countries in the world where you will get the same treatment for "free" as you'd get in the US. The price is >65% taxation. In most of these "universal healthcare" countries, it's not that easy - a healthcare "insurance" is deducted from your wage, if you don't work, you have to pay it out of pocket (mandatory, but cheap - around $100 monthly). Social security programmes are useful just…

You’re being downvoted because you’re wrong, and anyone with any familiarity at all with the other systems knows you’re wrong.

Let us consider:

> Did I mention that there is no way to go private other than paying out of pocket, and of course who would run a medical company in a country with universal healthcare?

Like many people here, I’ve held private insurance in the UK. The last time I paid for it, I think I paid £150/m for it, but I’ve had several employees cover it.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Post by DanBC »

TomMarius wrote: post #35
Illniyar wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you can lose your job or means of making money in some countries, but you can't get bankrupted by paying for treatment in countries with universal healthcare (or even close to it). Most developed countries also have some measures of social security in cases where you lose your job so that even that is rare.

There are just a few (under 5) countries in the world where you will get the same treatment for "free" as you'd get in the US. The price is >65% taxation. In most of these "universal healthcare" countries, it's not that easy - a healthcare "insurance" is deducted from your wage, if you don't work, you have to pay it out of pocket (mandatory, but cheap - around $100 monthly). Social security programmes are useful just…

It would help if you could say which healthcare system you're talking about, because what you say bears no resemblance to the English NHS. I'm not sure why you mention the UK system because you don't appear to know anything about it.

And that's one of the really confusing things about people who criticise the NHS: there are plenty of things that are real problems and that we're trying to fix, but these aren't the things they talk about.

> Universal healthcare definitely helps pharma and medical companies (they can overprice a lot, just like with any other governmental project). Lobby?

This point in particular is incoherent. Universal healthcare always has cheaper medication pricing than eg the US. The prices are open and available. Pick a med and compare.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Post by Asooka »

gilleain wrote: post #22
corodra wrote: post #20

Everyone is always above money until they’re looking at a stack of it in front of them. The only folks I know that have the willpower to turn down a pile of money is someone who has their eyes set on a mountain of money.

Some people have burned it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Foundation#The_K_Foundation_...

A bit offtopic, but I've been wondering - is it possible to destroy money in any way other than literally burning banknotes. With electronic money you can only transfer them between parties, so while you can give away all your money, the money still exists in the system - you can't call the bank and ask to have 100k deleted from your account. Am I missing something or is there no way for money to ever disappear from the banking system?

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Post by TomMarius »

peteretep wrote: post #43
TomMarius wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are just a few (under 5) countries in the world where you will get the same treatment for "free" as you'd get in the US. The price is >65% taxation. In most of these "universal healthcare" countries, it's not that easy - a healthcare "insurance" is deducted from your wage, if you don't work, you have to pay it out of pocket (mandatory, but cheap - around $100 monthly). Social security programmes are useful just…

You’re being downvoted because you’re wrong, and anyone with any familiarity at all with the other systems knows you’re wrong. Let us consider: > Did I mention that there is no way to go private other than paying out of pocket, and of course who would run a medical company in a country with universal healthcare? Like many people here, I’ve held private insurance in the UK. The last time I paid for it, I think I paid…

UK does not have a universal healthcare system in a comparable way to continental Europe. It is excluded from what I said, but it's not much of a change - that makes it sixth in the world. Out of 195.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Post by Insanity »

baud147258 wrote: post #27
nextstep wrote: post #12

A truly American story, basically the only developed country in the world where you can be bankrupted from getting sick.

Huh? I'm pretty sure you can get bankrupted by illness in any country

Not at all - socialist countries protect you from that. (Hence in many European countries, you would be fine, financially speaking).

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Post by TomMarius »

wildebaard wrote: post #42
TomMarius wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are just a few (under 5) countries in the world where you will get the same treatment for "free" as you'd get in the US. The price is >65% taxation. In most of these "universal healthcare" countries, it's not that easy - a healthcare "insurance" is deducted from your wage, if you don't work, you have to pay it out of pocket (mandatory, but cheap - around $100 monthly). Social security programmes are useful just…

I think most people do not see how this is somehow worse than being bankrupted for being sick. For the record, I don't either. I'll eat my dry bread if it means I can then continue to not spend the rest of my life paying back the bills.

Noone in Switzerland spends their lifes paying bills. Perhaps the system as you implemented it is wrong, but not the general idea?

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Post by DanBC »

TomMarius wrote: post #46
peteretep wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re being downvoted because you’re wrong, and anyone with any familiarity at all with the other systems knows you’re wrong. Let us consider: > Did I mention that there is no way to go private other than paying out of pocket, and of course who would run a medical company in a country with universal healthcare? Like many people here, I’ve held private insurance in the UK. The last time I paid for it, I think I paid…

UK does not have a universal healthcare system in a comparable way to continental Europe. It is excluded from what I said, but it's not much of a change - that makes it sixth in the world. Out of 195.

How does the UK not have universal healthcare?

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Post by lawlessone »

TomMarius wrote: post #40
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"In other countries with universal healthcare [...]" Not sure where you live or where you've been too, but you make some sweeping arguments about dozens of countries. Mostly everything you say is wrong about Germany (>65% taxation, no private insurance, share room with 5 people, treatments in your room, toilet not in the room, uneatable food, ...).

Germany is one of the five countries, and it has the lowest taxes among them. The rest are Austria and Scandinavian countries where total taxation rate approaches 70% all things factored in (I'm counting indirect taxes as well). Isn't it interesting that the best healthcare system in the world is entirely privatized, in Switzerland?

>Isn't it interesting that the best healthcare system in the world is entirely privatized, in Switzerland?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland

They still have universal healthcare/ mandatory health insurance.

I don't think the libertarian types would be too happy with that.

and

>Insurers are required to offer this basic insurance to everyone, regardless of age or medical condition. They are not allowed to make a profit off this basic insurance, but can on supplemental plans

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