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Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

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Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

#41

What military advantage does Google give the U.S. government?

They are refusing to work with the U.S. military yet cooperating with China to help advance their AI technology. In some sense, this could be seen as leaving your own in the dust while helping "others".

Do you have evidence of this cooperation? Most stuff I've seen recently around cooperation between China and Google has been in creating a censored version of their search engine.

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

#42

What military advantage does Google give the U.S. government?

They are refusing to work with the U.S. military yet cooperating with China to help advance their AI technology. In some sense, this could be seen as leaving your own in the dust while helping "others".

Google are not refusing. It is some of their employees that are resistant. The moment there is downturn in the job market the corporation will deal with them and resume working with USG

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

#43
Is it just google or all business? As china gets wealthier and as they develop, doesn't that also erode our military advantage? Isn't the overall economic growth a greater threat than one company, no matter how important? Not sure why Google is being singled out.

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

#44
It's really interesting to think about companies siding with governments now that funding comes internationally as well.

The concept of nation states is fading and the rise of corruption and oligarchy may take hold...

Saudi Arabia has a massive investment in Uber btw... this really prevents any type of criticism of these companies or the view that they're independent or that they should prioritize any specific country.

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

#45
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are refusing to work with the U.S. military yet cooperating with China to help advance their AI technology. In some sense, this could be seen as leaving your own in the dust while helping "others".

Google refused to work on the machine vision for U.S. military drones that kill thousands of people (project maven). [1] Google's work in China is building an AI center to promote AI in general. [2] These are not the same things. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence_arms_r... [2] http://fortune.com/2017/12/13/google-china-artificial-intell...

which would be then used by the Chinese military to work on the machine vision for Chinese military drones that kill thousands of people.

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

#46
post #21

If ever there were a reason to get politicians on the side of breaking up Google (or any other tech company), I imagine this would be it.

Wouldn't a breakup/decentralization of Google, or any American multinational for that matter, just hand Chinese tech giants a massive advantage since the Internet as it is now heavily favors large, centralized organizations? I don't see people arguing for the breakup of the tech giants across the Pacific even though they hardly have a better reputation when it comes to privacy, etc. By the way, I highly anticipate th…

Not a surprise, this is the same argument the oil industry has used for decades to oppose any kind of anti-oligopoly legislation. Basically they state that the US curbing the size of oil companies will adversely impact national interests in the Middle East and in other regions.

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

#47
I emailed Richard, the author of this article, with the question: "What Robotics projects is Google helping the Chinese govt develop or leaking through a CCP cell?"

I am very curious, as I think the HN community would be.

I do not want to rehash the other arguments: if it is true Google would be hypocritical for assisting China or the lack of details what this General accused Google on possibly leaking through a CCP cell to do business in China.

Also, how true are the claims that companies need a CCP cell (accused by a US official of leaking IP to a foreign) that could lead to IP theft? Would allowing a political party to have access to your trade secrets compromise the obligation to keep the legal protections under US law?

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

#48
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't a breakup/decentralization of Google, or any American multinational for that matter, just hand Chinese tech giants a massive advantage since the Internet as it is now heavily favors large, centralized organizations? I don't see people arguing for the breakup of the tech giants across the Pacific even though they hardly have a better reputation when it comes to privacy, etc. By the way, I highly anticipate th…

Not a surprise, this is the same argument the oil industry has used for decades to oppose any kind of anti-oligopoly legislation. Basically they state that the US curbing the size of oil companies will adversely impact national interests in the Middle East and in other regions.

does that invalidate the argument?

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

#50

Well, when you have a company for which a large majority of its employees are from countries outside of the U.S., some of which are extremely nationalist and hold anti-American views, you will end up having some decisions made that are anti-American. EDIT: To the down-voters, I don't think you are understanding my post. I have worked with plenty of people who would love to see the downfall of the U.S. Many of the the…

I believe Sergey Brin came to the U.S. from the Soviet Union and was the driving force behind Google pulling out of China around the early 2010s (except for Hong Kong). https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/7503641/Sergey... I think your assertion needs to be backed by evidence.

For the record, I'm not asserting anything. I'm merely proposing a theory that I haven't heard many people bring up. Not everything is an argument :)
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