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Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by CydeWeys »

jarmitage wrote: post #13

I would be interested to know if any Italians (or otherwise knowledgable people) are here who can comment on this anecdote: I once stayed with some Italians near Pisa, who were home schooling their children. They said that corrupt and ignorant politicians have added unnecessary vaccines to the list of requirements, due to lobbying/collusion with pharma companies and as a way to influence elections. As a result, some…

I have Italian relatives and I've heard a lot of questionable conspiracy theories or urban legends out of them. Things like all corner grocery stores that are run by Asians are really property of the Chinese mafia, or that if you have moving air on your throat at night you'll get a sore throat.

Point is, take this kinds of conspiracy theories with a huge grain of salt. I would love to hear which required vaccinations are allegedly unnecessary.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by lostapathy »

usaphp wrote: post #11
CodeCube wrote: post #2

Fantastic (note that the article mentions (or at least hints at) medical exemptions, which of course makes sense)! Now ... if only we could make this happen here in the US!

> if only we could make this happen here in the US! Hmm, isn't it already required in US? When I sent my son to first grade this year they asked us to verify that we have all the necessary vaccines, without it they would not allow us to register.

I wish I could find the article - apparently there is one guy/group actually working on expanding the religious exemptions and has lobbied legislators in a bunch of states to file bills for it. So dumb that the legislators go along with it.

Edit: another dumb things are legislators looking to prohibit discriminating against unvacinated people. https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article2109815...

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by frostburg »

everdev wrote: post #32
frostburg wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can, but only terrible people do it. EDIT: keep in mind that the public school system will bend over backwards to integrate and accomodate even the most problematic special needs children. It's among the few things that it does really well.

I don't think HN is the place for judging people you've probably never met.

Son of teachers. I'm familiar with the issue at hand (there is basically no reason to homeschool in Italy unless you are in a cult or neglect your child heavily).

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by throw1455 »

celeritascelery wrote: post #23
throw1455 wrote: post #21

Last month, an eight-year-old recovering from cancer was unable to attend school in Rome due to his weak immune system. The child had spent months receiving treatment for leukaemia, but was at risk of infection because a proportion of pupils in the school had not been vaccination Even vaccinated kids can be carrier of patogens. BBC should have better level.

True, but vaccine preventable diseases are often far worse and far more contagious then other diseases.

And? BBC is still spreading bulls*t.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by zug_zug »

I find it interesting and also confusing how invested random people on the internet are about the outcome of vaccination (which could theoretically cause an issue for a small percentage of the population), as opposed to say climate-denial (which will undisputably cause a much bigger issue for the entire population)

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by dawnerd »

libertine wrote: post #17

In Portugal since like late 80's at least, when you're being signed up in the school you have to present several documents, and one of them the Vaccines Bulletin. If it's not up to date, you cannot be registered. It's a better solution instead of banning children. It might seem like it's the same thing, but it's quite different.

We have something similar in the states but problem is there's a lot of exceptions people can claim, such as religious or "personal beliefs" - which pretty much makes it completely useless. They need to shut down those exemptions.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by luckydata »

jarmitage wrote: post #13

I would be interested to know if any Italians (or otherwise knowledgable people) are here who can comment on this anecdote: I once stayed with some Italians near Pisa, who were home schooling their children. They said that corrupt and ignorant politicians have added unnecessary vaccines to the list of requirements, due to lobbying/collusion with pharma companies and as a way to influence elections. As a result, some…

Italian here: your friends are dumb.

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by ghaff »

mac01021 wrote: post #4
CodeCube wrote: post #2

Fantastic (note that the article mentions (or at least hints at) medical exemptions, which of course makes sense)! Now ... if only we could make this happen here in the US!

If that's what you want, don't wait for the institution of a national policy. Talk to your local Board of Education.

Or the state, as happened in the case of California. There appears to be some abuse of medical exemptions but, for the most part, the California law requiring childhood vaccinations to attend school seems to be working and overall vaccinations are up. [1]

[1] https://www.aafp.org/news/health-of-the-public/20181127calif...

Re: Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

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Post by Chris_Chambers »

droithomme wrote: post #7
CodeCube wrote: post #2

Fantastic (note that the article mentions (or at least hints at) medical exemptions, which of course makes sense)! Now ... if only we could make this happen here in the US!

> if only we could make this happen here in the US Good point. Also essential to ban adults from various public areas who are not up to date on all their boosters.

It would be nice if you utterly psychotic redditors could stick to your containment site.
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