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Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

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Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

#41

San Francisco recently did a similar thing but with commercial storefronts: https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Vacancy-glut-in... .

That is just a proposal, right? Did it pass? Last I heard, London Breed was looking at other avenues to tackle the problem (reducing bureaucracy, expanding multi-use space allowances, etc.)

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

#42
post #13

It's kinda easy to make it look like a building is occupied and avoid the fine. It's kinda hard for authorities to prove otherwise.

You're right, Land Value Tax (LVT) would be much better, as other European cities use.

It's hard to off-shore property in a tax haven too.

It's one of those policies that is popular with virtually everyone right until the moment they get into power and meet the wealthy landowners/donors.

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

#43
post #12

How about letting people build more and taller buildings? How about that, huh?

FTA "The problems the fines are intended to combat began in 2007, when the financial crisis brought an epidemic of foreclosures on homes across Spain. After a nationwide wave of repossessions, banks found themselves the owners of newly vast portfolios of housing whose tenants had been evicted. Put off by the cost of renovations and wary of their potential obligations to rental tenants as landlords, many banks simply…

So isn’t the more salient point here that tenants’ rights are apparently so strong here that the owners would rather leave the properties vacant (and lose money) than rent them out to a new tenant? Perhaps if they would remove some of the more pernicious and abused “rights” for tenants, more property owners would put their property up for rent?

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

#44

Why is it a fine? Why not a tax? Taxing unused spaces sitting idle makes a lot more sense than income (ie: people’s work).

Much easier to beg for votes saying we "fined these evil landlords" instead of saying increasing taxes on empty buildings. I think there will be many fires in Barcelona this year.

If the tax %age on the empty buildings is high enough, voters will like it.

I fear it won’t be big enough so they didn’t say it, but I don’t know Spanish culture.

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

#45
post #13

It's kinda easy to make it look like a building is occupied and avoid the fine. It's kinda hard for authorities to prove otherwise.

You're right, Land Value Tax (LVT) would be much better, as other European cities use. It's hard to off-shore property in a tax haven too. It's one of those policies that is popular with virtually everyone right until the moment they get into power and meet the wealthy landowners/donors.

Why not both?

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#46
post #35

Does anyone know why is it that seemingly every major city is having an affordability crisis at the same time?

My take on it is that there aren't enough desirable cities available to employ and house all the people who want to live in them. This can be addressed by either increasing the capacity of those cities, by making existing undesirable cities more desirable, or just creating new desirable cities where no city currently exists.

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#48

People should be able to do whatever they want with their properties

That's not true in the modern world and never has been. There's plenty of things you can't do with your property, and indeed the total universe of what you can do is much smaller than the universe of what you cannot do.

Cities are (necessarily) very tightly regulated, because when people and property are packed in so tightly together the possibilities for negative externalities are severe. It's important to optimize the very limited space in a way that maximizes its good for as many people as possible.

You have a lot more leeway to do whatever you want way out in the country if that's what you're looking for, but you should never expect that in a dense city, because you won't find it anywhere.

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

#49
post #35

Does anyone know why is it that seemingly every major city is having an affordability crisis at the same time?

The rich got richer after the financial crisis and have nowhere else to invest.

Classic example of massive misallocation of resources.

Re: Barcelona Fines Landlords Who Let Buildings Sit Empty

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post #27
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments have registries of where people live.

Which is actually the enabler here: just register a friend or relative as living in your apartment, and you're done. And of course, you're doing that as a favor, so you're not charging them any rent that might be a subject to taxation.

There are other methods.

Utility bills for example. Is the electricity utilization random enough or a little too constant? What about water? Natural gas? Pay the garbage collectors to rat out homes that never leave anything out.

Are the windows always left open even on the hottest days and no A/C?

Is the keyfob for entry never used?

Ultimately, every tax can be evaded. Income, sales, corporate. This one won’t be any different.

I do wonder who might rat out their completely quiet neighbour though.

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