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Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
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Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#42I had a company that seriously wanted to hire me and had me chat to a VP after a few other employees. They said they would let me know next steps in a few days, it's been over 30 days now. Ghosting happens all over.
Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#43It's extremely important that you learn as early as possible in your career that your employer is not your friend. You are only a cog in the wheel to them. All the way up to the top you are replaceable. Once you make this shift in thinking, it opens the doors to you increasing your status in the company, doing more interesting work and making way more money. Stop doing any favours to your employer and start putting y…
I think this stance tends to be too harsh. The company isn't your friend, but people can be. I've done personal favors for employers that have helped my career in major ways.
People can also be polite and professional up until they completely stab you in the back.
The company is just made up of people, and so while some of those people can be your friends, oftentimes others have completely selfish aims.
From a position of power you can give and take, but many people pull the bullshit "We are a family" bit to eke out that extra work for no extra pay.
Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#44I've seen both things happen. A well respected co-worker, just stopped coming in after a vacation, and played World of Warcraft instead. He had savings, so he just played. (He did it for years) Another co-worker, got a great offer at an exciting new place, semi-large startup. Quit his job, trained a replacement, first day at the new job "Sorry.. it seems like we cant afford you, as our strategy has changed."
> Another co-worker, got a great offer at an exciting new place, semi-large startup. Quit his job, trained a replacement, first day at the new job "Sorry.. it seems like we cant afford you, as our strategy has changed."
That's just cold. You don't do that to people.
I would sue. I would sue for the money I spent to move as well as the loss of income until I found another job.
Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#45I think that this is people finally getting fed up with corporate hypocrisy. When you quit, for example, it's expected that you give at least two week's notice, and anything less would be "unprofessional". When there's a layoff, though, people are shown the door immediately (or sometimes even fired over the phone). Why should I be held to rules that don't apply to the company that I'm working for?
Are companies not paying severance to laid off employees? The old norm, which seemed pretty reasonable to me, was that employees gave notice and companies paid severance. The walking out the door part is unpleasant, but it's the pay that's more important IMO.
Tech companies sometimes demand signing a non-disparagement or other legal agreement in exchange for severance. Companies with the fake "unlimited vacation" policy give you nothing for that.
Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#46> Why bother giving notice
i) Because you've signed a contract and they have lawyers that can come after you to enforce that contract or extract damages as a result of non-compliance.
ii) Because your personal values are derived from you, and not how others conduct themselves.
I do a bit of interviewing and it's remarkable how many people will apply for a job, be offered an interview, accept the interview, and then just not turn up for the interview with no contact at all.
It's a really bad look, and people do remember it.
(Obviously, none of this is meant to excuse poor behaviour by employers).
Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this stance tends to be too harsh. The company isn't your friend, but people can be. I've done personal favors for employers that have helped my career in major ways.
People can also be polite and professional up until they completely stab you in the back. The company is just made up of people, and so while some of those people can be your friends, oftentimes others have completely selfish aims. From a position of power you can give and take, but many people pull the bullshit "We are a family" bit to eke out that extra work for no extra pay.
That's why I called it a favor. You only get so many favors before you've burned through trust. Then you're cut off.
An employer who burns through trust with their employee is going to perpetually have staffing issues.
Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#48It's extremely important that you learn as early as possible in your career that your employer is not your friend. You are only a cog in the wheel to them. All the way up to the top you are replaceable. Once you make this shift in thinking, it opens the doors to you increasing your status in the company, doing more interesting work and making way more money. Stop doing any favours to your employer and start putting y…
Luckily enough I read plenty of leftist authors as a teen so I had this understanding from day 1
Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#49Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19000756.
Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#50It's extremely important that you learn as early as possible in your career that your employer is not your friend. You are only a cog in the wheel to them. All the way up to the top you are replaceable. Once you make this shift in thinking, it opens the doors to you increasing your status in the company, doing more interesting work and making way more money. Stop doing any favours to your employer and start putting y…
I think this stance tends to be too harsh. The company isn't your friend, but people can be. I've done personal favors for employers that have helped my career in major ways.
You are correct - the company is not your friend. Senior management has a responsibility to look out for the shareholders' interests. They are also human and look out for their own interests. That said, treating people the way you want to be treated has a positive effect on your little corner of the company.
My management treated me well when it was in their power to do so. I survived for 36 years in a company that had multiple downsizings, sometimes 2 a year in the last 15 years. Our workgroup supported each other the best we could. We still get together for lunch periodically. Ross Perot's "great sucking sound of jobs leaving the country" occured on my watch. We just had to deal with it the best we could.
I was much happier and productive when I realized that it was best to be thankful for the good parts of my work and that sometimes you go through situations that suck. That's life...