I think that this is people finally getting fed up with corporate hypocrisy. When you quit, for example, it's expected that you give at least two week's notice, and anything less would be "unprofessional". When there's a layoff, though, people are shown the door immediately (or sometimes even fired over the phone). Why should I be held to rules that don't apply to the company that I'm working for?
Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
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Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#12I think that this is people finally getting fed up with corporate hypocrisy. When you quit, for example, it's expected that you give at least two week's notice, and anything less would be "unprofessional". When there's a layoff, though, people are shown the door immediately (or sometimes even fired over the phone). Why should I be held to rules that don't apply to the company that I'm working for?
Are companies not paying severance to laid off employees? The old norm, which seemed pretty reasonable to me, was that employees gave notice and companies paid severance. The walking out the door part is unpleasant, but it's the pay that's more important IMO.
Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#13I think that this is people finally getting fed up with corporate hypocrisy. When you quit, for example, it's expected that you give at least two week's notice, and anything less would be "unprofessional". When there's a layoff, though, people are shown the door immediately (or sometimes even fired over the phone). Why should I be held to rules that don't apply to the company that I'm working for?
Are companies not paying severance to laid off employees? The old norm, which seemed pretty reasonable to me, was that employees gave notice and companies paid severance. The walking out the door part is unpleasant, but it's the pay that's more important IMO.
Severance is a rarity. It’s also probably not enough. I’ve seen people get 1 or 2 weeks pay as severance.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are companies not paying severance to laid off employees? The old norm, which seemed pretty reasonable to me, was that employees gave notice and companies paid severance. The walking out the door part is unpleasant, but it's the pay that's more important IMO.
Severance is a rarity. It’s also probably not enough. I’ve seen people get 1 or 2 weeks pay as severance.
I agree that from the employees' standpoint more is better, but should there be a connection between expected length of notice and expected amount of severance? I believe in Europe the expected notice periods are significantly longer.
Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#15These rescinded job offers after someone has uprooted their life, assuming that the offer can be proven (written is best!) surely promissory estoppel applies and some kind of remedy is a slam dunk?
A “slam dunk” in the sense of paying 10s of thousands in attorney fees to get and enforce a judgment, when you’re probably in financially tricky circumstances specifically due to the rescinded offer?
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#16We've had success in team ghosting useless product managers, eventually (after 2 years without any output) causing them to leave (out of their own volition, because apparently being hired by C levels protects you from being terminated because it would reflect bad on the hiring C level). Keeping up a trickle stream of half-baked work[0] (to prevent you from being accused of being "non-supportive") worked fine. [0] mat…
Seems kind of cowardly, to be honest.
I disagree, just knowing how toxic the corporate management would be in such a case. If you try to give sincere feedback to fix what’s going wrong, you’re just putting the target on your own back.
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#17These rescinded job offers after someone has uprooted their life, assuming that the offer can be proven (written is best!) surely promissory estoppel applies and some kind of remedy is a slam dunk?
A “slam dunk” in the sense of paying 10s of thousands in attorney fees to get and enforce a judgment, when you’re probably in financially tricky circumstances specifically due to the rescinded offer?
Attorney’s fees will be awarded as part of the judgment.
Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Severance is a rarity. It’s also probably not enough. I’ve seen people get 1 or 2 weeks pay as severance.
I agree that from the employees' standpoint more is better, but should there be a connection between expected length of notice and expected amount of severance? I believe in Europe the expected notice periods are significantly longer.
In France on a CDI (permanent contract) above a certain level the usual notice period is 3 months.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
A “slam dunk” in the sense of paying 10s of thousands in attorney fees to get and enforce a judgment, when you’re probably in financially tricky circumstances specifically due to the rescinded offer?
Attorney’s fees will be awarded as part of the judgment.
If you happen to have a large amount of savings to pay the retainer (in case you lose), or hit the jackpot with a lawyer that will work on contingency for a case worth probably $10-20k if you win. Maybe small claims court, but that still takes your time away from other things, takes energy, and causes stress.
The legal system is not easily accessible for the average person and companies know that perfectly well. Even if it's a straightforward case it will cost tons of time at a minimum.
Re: Ghosting: Job candidates turn tables on employers
#20I think that this is people finally getting fed up with corporate hypocrisy. When you quit, for example, it's expected that you give at least two week's notice, and anything less would be "unprofessional". When there's a layoff, though, people are shown the door immediately (or sometimes even fired over the phone). Why should I be held to rules that don't apply to the company that I'm working for?
Are companies not paying severance to laid off employees? The old norm, which seemed pretty reasonable to me, was that employees gave notice and companies paid severance. The walking out the door part is unpleasant, but it's the pay that's more important IMO.
Severance always depends on the length of your stay at that company. Typically it's 1 week for a year of service. So yeah, good luck with that if you are anything less than 5 years into the job.