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I don't see the connection between slavery and capitalism. It seems to me slavery is distinctly anti-capitalist because slaves do not compete in the labor market.
Thieves of Experience: How Google and Facebook Corrupted Capitalism
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#42If you're not the client, you're the product. Then think about how much do you pay for google and facebook services.
How much do people pay to use Linux or DuckDuckGo? This statement is parroted so much and adds so little to every discussion.
Aren't you the product on DDG? Like they still sell ads and do marketing. Just less invasively than Google.
An argument could also be made for Linux, that the users are the product. Like why does all this development get done on Linux? Because people use it. Why do companies choose Linux on their servers? Cause all the users that know it.
Sure, you're not getting exploited on these platforms, which is awesome, but the users are still valuable to each of them.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Slavery predates capitalism, it’s definitely not a consequence of it. In fact, since slaves can’t be consumers, capitalism works as an incentive for freedom.
Surveillance exists with or without capitalism too, nevertheless we do analogical complain about capitalism being corrupted by it. Why the difference? Having slaves was profitable. A lot profitable. The only capitalist incentive for freedom was that north laborers did not wanted to compete with slaves. Competing with slaveholders sux, because slaves are cheaper and free men social status goes down if he do slaves lik…
Surveillance can exist without capitalism and capitalism can exist without surveillance but this conversation is about the effect of both coexisting in a symbiotic relationship.
Re: Thieves of Experience: How Google and Facebook Corrupted Capitalism
#44"Anyone who tries to remove a pre-installed Google app from an Android phone, for instance, will likely be confronted by a vague but menacing warning: “If you disable this app, other apps may no longer function as intended.” This is a coy, high-tech form of blackmail: “Give us your data, or the phone dies.” They're bluffing. Turning off Google Drive, Google Duo, Google Gmail, Google Play Movies and TV, Google Play Mo…
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Re: Thieves of Experience: How Google and Facebook Corrupted Capitalism
#45If you're not the client, you're the product. Then think about how much do you pay for google and facebook services.
Nah, this sounds pithy but isn't true: Facebook needs you to like them so you voluntarily come back. You are the customer. “You are the product” misunderstands the business. ( https://twitter.com/pt/status/979092827522048000 )
What if the "customer" is trained through gamification and other psychological tricks to come back? I hated Facebook and still had the muscle memory of + face . I still do that sometimes after I've seen the logo or name even though I don't have an account anymore.
It's like, do you go back to the sugary foods cause they're so healthy and you love them, or are you low key addicted? I don't really consider that a healthy customer relationship.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Journalism is a profession, and a very important one.
For the importance to hold true, the profession as a whole must solve the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect
Wow, when statement that journalists are important is downgraded, we truly live in dystopia.
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#47"Anyone who tries to remove a pre-installed Google app from an Android phone, for instance, will likely be confronted by a vague but menacing warning: “If you disable this app, other apps may no longer function as intended.” This is a coy, high-tech form of blackmail: “Give us your data, or the phone dies.” They're bluffing. Turning off Google Drive, Google Duo, Google Gmail, Google Play Movies and TV, Google Play Mo…
Don't overestimate the customer. "I don't like Google Maps and I deleted it. Now I can't see the map! Fix it now!" "I see. There are competing map services available." "That's not the map I want. I want the map!(Google Maps)" "You can use a browser." "Browser? What is it? I simply want to use map!" "If you really wan to use the Google Maps from the app. Then you have to install the app called Google Maps" "I don't un…
> I don't like Google Maps and I deleted it. Now I can't see the map!
i mean, is it common for a user to hold contradictory thoughts like that?!
Re: Thieves of Experience: How Google and Facebook Corrupted Capitalism
#48"Anyone who tries to remove a pre-installed Google app from an Android phone, for instance, will likely be confronted by a vague but menacing warning: “If you disable this app, other apps may no longer function as intended.” This is a coy, high-tech form of blackmail: “Give us your data, or the phone dies.” They're bluffing. Turning off Google Drive, Google Duo, Google Gmail, Google Play Movies and TV, Google Play Mo…
How much tracking does Play Services do on its own? Is https://microg.org/ a suitable substitute?
It's prerelease, so still needs a lot of work.
Re: Thieves of Experience: How Google and Facebook Corrupted Capitalism
#49"Anyone who tries to remove a pre-installed Google app from an Android phone, for instance, will likely be confronted by a vague but menacing warning: “If you disable this app, other apps may no longer function as intended.” This is a coy, high-tech form of blackmail: “Give us your data, or the phone dies.” They're bluffing. Turning off Google Drive, Google Duo, Google Gmail, Google Play Movies and TV, Google Play Mo…
yep play services is the one thing that ties it all together and is the crucial part of gapps and the minimum of gapps installs.
i have used custom rom without googles stuff(including services). i was fine for my use case as i do not rely on google for my workflow.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't overestimate the customer. "I don't like Google Maps and I deleted it. Now I can't see the map! Fix it now!" "I see. There are competing map services available." "That's not the map I want. I want the map!(Google Maps)" "You can use a browser." "Browser? What is it? I simply want to use map!" "If you really wan to use the Google Maps from the app. Then you have to install the app called Google Maps" "I don't un…
> I don't like Google Maps and I deleted it. Now I can't see the map! i mean, is it common for a user to hold contradictory thoughts like that?!
I see you've never worked a helpdesk. :)
(Depressingly, yes. PEBKAC is the most common diagnosis and people get really angry about it.)