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The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by theNotch »

pdimitar wrote: post #11

Or maybe the Asian market is not riding the display 's notch hype train? They might view the notch + the high price as opposing factors (I once heard a guy say "why would you pay so much for a phone with a screen that's cut on several places?"). Food for thought. I bought the X because I wanted an OLED screen iPhone. And I was digging the less bezels. The notch however is irritating me to this day, 14 months in. And…

Oh please. What a red herring.

Tantamount to complaining that it doesn’t come in the proper shade of beige.

It has no effect on utility. It actually compresses fixed UI elements (tray icons, the clock, status indicators) up into corners. Those fixed elements would otherwise require a solid bar to consume 1/20 of the viewing area, and there’s still the physical camera and speaker to consider.

Have fun rationalizing other trivialities. Less obvious is the lack of a reliable button, and the useless face unlock idea.

It’s not the geometry of the pretty blinking lights. It’s that the trade offs it’s intended to integrate with and enable are underwhelming.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by freediver »

lettergram wrote: post #40

My wife and I bought an XS (for her) and XR (for me). We both had Nexus 6p and they were at end of life and wanted to get her a nicer phone for Christmas. Well, after playing with both the XR takes better photos, generally. In addition, the XR gets probably 30% more life on a single charge. Nothing else on the XS is really much better (outside of a couple nice to haves). So now she has the XR and I have the XS. ID re…

Would have bought XR if it was smaller. Currently using 7 and even XR is just too large to be called a phone anymore. XS is a monstrosity from my point of view.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by Spooky23 »

The only thing you can trust is that any analysis on this topic is horseshit for at least the next 3 months.

Apple headlines just attract too much attention for god journalism, unless you are versed enough on the topic to be able to spot the relevant facts through the nonsense.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by hopler »

0x0 wrote: post #32
code_duck wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple doesn’t phase out their old hardware that quickly. I’m currently using an iPhone 6 with the latest iOS and no complaints.

But if you had bought the 5 when the 6 was new, you'd be stuck at iOS 10, which is missing several security updates, two iterations of new emojis, and many apps refusing to install or update by now.

That's still 2+ years longer than a non-iOS phone would stay current.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by ltc5505 »

princeb wrote: post #33
lostlogin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d take a high spec small phone. This is apparently an unusual thing to want.

i'd happily pay up to $1200 for a high spec 4" phone. i'm on an SE. i got this phone fairly late into its life cycle and it was a deliberate choice. my biggest regret is probably not getting a second one before they discontinued it because when my current SE fails i have no idea where to get a replacement.

Look on eBay; there are a lot of SE's available for a good price. It's a great time to buy one and save it for when you need it. At some point the supply will get low enough that the price for a new one will noticeably increase, but we aren't at that point yet.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by king_magic »

slondr wrote: post #3

Everyone I know who owns an iPhone XR only got it because they're in some upgrade plan that gives them a new phone every year or two. Nobody actually wants it. There's die-hards who needs the XS because it's the latest and greatest, while those who want something a little cheaper are buying an 8 Plus or original X. I really feel like the XR is a repeat of the original iPhone 7 in that it's a phone with no target audi…

I love my XR. The battery life is absolutely spectacular. It’s no iPhone 7 repeat by any stretch of the imagination.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by stochastic_monk »

code_duck wrote: post #20
throw0u1t wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I don't want an iPhone 7 or an 8. And it makes no sense that Apple sell both the 7 and the 8. Apple should make a phone like the SE which is made for the low-mid market, not just discount its old models.

Why? What’s wrong with an iPhone 7 or 8? Why would you prefer an SE-like model?

I’ve had an SE for almost 3 years and would prefer a similarly sized and priced model for my next phone. I don’t want a giant phone or to pay $1000 for it.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by jimmy1 »

theNotch wrote: post #41
pdimitar wrote: post #11

Or maybe the Asian market is not riding the display 's notch hype train? They might view the notch + the high price as opposing factors (I once heard a guy say "why would you pay so much for a phone with a screen that's cut on several places?"). Food for thought. I bought the X because I wanted an OLED screen iPhone. And I was digging the less bezels. The notch however is irritating me to this day, 14 months in. And…

Oh please. What a red herring. Tantamount to complaining that it doesn’t come in the proper shade of beige. It has no effect on utility. It actually compresses fixed UI elements (tray icons, the clock, status indicators) up into corners. Those fixed elements would otherwise require a solid bar to consume 1/20 of the viewing area, and there’s still the physical camera and speaker to consider. Have fun rationalizing ot…

Just because you come off strong with your counter-opinion doesn't mean you are right.

There is definitely credence to the thought that the notch is horrendous. I along with my entire household and most of my coworkers are, anecdotally, another example that won't come close to owning something that decides to cut into the screen. It's just so off-putting. There is no getting used to it.

For a phone and company that touts its self as a status symbol and the "pinnacle of design" they have made a couple of really bad design and usability decisions of late, the touchbar being the other egregious example.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by pdimitar »

koyote wrote: post #25
pdimitar wrote: post #11

Or maybe the Asian market is not riding the display 's notch hype train? They might view the notch + the high price as opposing factors (I once heard a guy say "why would you pay so much for a phone with a screen that's cut on several places?"). Food for thought. I bought the X because I wanted an OLED screen iPhone. And I was digging the less bezels. The notch however is irritating me to this day, 14 months in. And…

I agree. The notch simply does not look premium at all. It's the kind of design decision you would see in lower-end phones as a compromise. The fact that so many Android OEMs followed suit surprised me. The usual chinese iPhone clones going along with it? Sure! But so many 'reputable' companies went for it, it's just incomprehensible. Anecdotally I just can't imagine someone preferring a notch to no notch (as long as…

> Or did they not look at any data at all and simply go with "we better follow Apple on this, just in case".

It looks that way and it looked that way for years. What a shame.

There are still devices with good designs out there -- Sony, Nokia and Xiaomi mostly come to mind -- but the general trend has been "let's all add a notch".

:(

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by hopler »

throw0u1t wrote: post #28
code_duck wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? What’s wrong with an iPhone 7 or 8? Why would you prefer an SE-like model?

I don't want a 7 because it comes in either 32GB or 256GB, no 64GB or 128GB. I don't want an 8 because I don't want a phone with a glass back. iPhone SE was perfect. Metal all round, small, affordable, powerful.

That's not a problem with the 7 per se, that's a problem with Apple's exploitative pricing strategy blocking a trivial engineering/marketing option.

The glass back thing is a matter of taste, sure, but caring what material is inside the case is a bit silly.

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