> An expert human player is an expert precisely because her mind automatically identifies ... The "Patronizing 'Her'" Almost invariably, when the author decides to use the patronizing 'her' instead of the gender-neutral 'they' it's written by a man.
How AlphaZero Mastered Its Games
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#42God what a well written article! I don't have much to say on the subject, but this was pure joy to read, it's crazy good. Clear, engaging, to the point, making a difficult subject accessible without dumbing it down, no fluff or unnecessary side stories, just awesomeness.
The only gripe I had with the writing was the completely unnecessary injection of gender pronoun controversy. I highly recommend the AlphaGo movie as well, it does a great job documenting the psychology of professional Go in the world of AI.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
There has been a rematch recently vs Stockfish, with a couple of hundred games. AlphaZero won 155-6! [0] There are fascinating videos with grandmasters commentating on some of the games. They're played in an exciting, sacrificial, swashbuckling style, nothing like any other top computer engine, and it seems that may affect the play of top (human) players for the better. e.g. see Matthew Sadler on chess24 https://www.…
A lot of the moves most praised by GMs are seen as the only moves in the position by Stockfish 9/10. I think there's a huge amount of cognitive dissonance going on, so that people can label AlphaZero's play more 'human'. Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if AlphaZero lines have existed at the top of the game for some time. Would be a no brainer for someone to have made Google an offer after the first paper.
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#44Is it impossible to apply to these types of games? Every time I read about AlphaZero the articles mention that the techniques are meant for games of perfect information.
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That was the first paper. Second paper they played fair even giving stockfish a 10 to 1 advantage on same hardware as tcec uses.
You can still run the games past the exact commit of Stockfish they used and it finds blunders in its own play, so it still feels like there's a lack of transparency. But I don't think anyone strongly believes AlphaZero isn't the best at this point.
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#46James put together a really nice summary of the ideas and the projects! It was almost a year ago that lc0 was launched, since then the community (led by Alexander Lyashuk, author of the current engine) has taken it to a totally different level. Follow along at http://lczero.org ! Gcp has also done an amazing job with Leela Zero, with a very active community on the Go side. http://zero.sjeng.org Of course, DeepMind re…
I strongly suspect alphazero is easily beatable, once you have your hands on it. This is just from experience that most neural network style systems are weak against adversarial opponents who understand their internals. Of course I can't be sure, because Google refuses to give out anyone access to alphazero, or a network trained with it. Personally, that gives me more confidence they know there are significant exploi…
Generating the right noise was proven to be successful against NNs (https://blog.openai.com/adversarial-example-research/) but I am not sure how could you apply that to this context.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only gripe I had with the writing was the completely unnecessary injection of gender pronoun controversy. I highly recommend the AlphaGo movie as well, it does a great job documenting the psychology of professional Go in the world of AI.
what gender pronoun controversy? did we read the same article?
Instead of using gender neutral pronoun like "they", the author used a feminine pronoun.
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#48> Before there could be acceptance, there was depression. “I want to apologize for being so powerless,” he said in a press conference.
Lee Sedol was clearly upset, especially after the first two matches, but I think that apology was more out of politeness than depression, really.
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what gender pronoun controversy? did we read the same article?
>An expert human player is an expert precisely because her mind automatically identifies the essential parts of the tree and focusses its attention there. Instead of using gender neutral pronoun like "they", the author used a feminine pronoun.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can still run the games past the exact commit of Stockfish they used and it finds blunders in its own play, so it still feels like there's a lack of transparency. But I don't think anyone strongly believes AlphaZero isn't the best at this point.
Like which move? I wonder why stockfish developers do not claim any of this?
As for the GM side, Nakamura basically said the same.