Asian-Americans should be fighting the Chinese natives not the schools because that's where all the spots have been going to for the past decade.
Well, internaltional studuent tuition has a much better margin.
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#42Notably, the comments section of the article is overwhelmingly in favor of schools not discriminating based on the color of the applicant's skin.
How about not discriminating at all ?
Personally, I'd love to see Harvard set aside 75% of their spots for a lottery of students who meet an insanely high threshold (98% percentile in the SAT, for example, or some other objective measurement), and then use the other 25% for athletes, legacies, diversity, etc.
That way you may not get in, but you know you won't get cut because you got assigned an arbitrary 'personality' score if you scored high enough; enables kids to save face with friends/family too.
Not a fully baked idea here, just a potential avenue.
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#43Equivalent Bloomberg article [0] mentions that the ACLU has taken Harvard's side, and they state [1]: While the DOJ’s brief does not challenge Supreme Court precedent granting universities the right to freely select their own student body—presumably because it cannot do so at this stage of the litigation—the Trump administration has advocated for “race-blind” policies, which Harvard and virtually all other universiti…
I find the ACLU's statement wholly unsatisfying. There is a tradeoff here: is unquestionable racism against Asian-Americans justifiable to increase advance African-American participation in higher education? There is also surely a legal question at play. The ACLU, instead of addressing either matter, launches a political statement announcing its stance without justification. Lost some respect for them here.
Racsim is the systematic oppression of people. It's carried out in instutions, culture, and processes: individual people do not perform racsim. (Individuals can discriminate.)
Racism depends on country / region. In the US, racism exits against black and brown people. It is a system set up for the benefit of white people.
Your confusion comes from falsely equating racial discrimination and racism.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
The short of it is that the ACLU consider affirmative action a form of just racism. This form of racism corrects for past transgressions, helps achieve diversity targets, and "keeps the doors open" for minorities, so they consider it not only morally justifiable, but commendable. Their position paper on affirmative action is available here: https://www.aclu.org/other/affirmative-action-aclu-position-... and I think i…
Actually it's a form of racial discrimination that is countering racism.
...what separates racial discrimination from racism?
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure I understand the ACLU's statement. Is Harvard's discrimination against Asian-Americans for their race not racial discrimination to the ACLU? Or is it OK because it benefits worse-off races? I'm open to alternatives, I'm not trying to establish a false dichotomy here.
Racsim is the systematic oppression of people. It's carried out in instutions, culture, and processes: individual people do not perform racsim. (Individuals can discriminate.) Racism depends on country / region. In the US, racism exits against black and brown people. It is a system set up for the benefit of white people. Your confusion comes from falsely equating racial discrimination and racism.
No. Racism is: "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior"
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#46Equivalent Bloomberg article [0] mentions that the ACLU has taken Harvard's side, and they state [1]: While the DOJ’s brief does not challenge Supreme Court precedent granting universities the right to freely select their own student body—presumably because it cannot do so at this stage of the litigation—the Trump administration has advocated for “race-blind” policies, which Harvard and virtually all other universiti…
Disappointed in what the ACLU has become. I don't think their fundamental intentions are off, but in order to raise money in an anti-Trump era, they've definitely veered off course in practice. EDIT: For those downvoting me, you should give this a listen: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/30/podcasts/the-daily/aclu-n...
Racsim is the systematic oppression of people. It's carried out in instutions, cultural, and processes: individual people do not perform racsim. (Individuals can discriminate.)
Racism depends on country / region. In the US, racism exits against black and brown people. It is a system set up for the benefit of white people.
Your confusion comes from falsely equating racial discrimination and racism.
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#47This argument, while important, is the low hanging fruit of the affirmative action debate in my opinion. We would not need affirmative action if legacy based admissions wasn't so prevalent in top schools. We would not need affirmative action if every school district in America recieved proper funding to support teachers and enable smaller class sizes, test prep for students to take specialized exams, and after school…
"The best elementary schools in the nation are driven by property taxes, how many people do you know bought their house because of the school district?"
Sometimes I wonder how much of this is everyone mistaking causation vs. correlation. School districts with high property taxes tend to have a number of other features in common, like: stable 2-parent households; high incomes; ability to afford private tutors and enrichment opportunities; highly-educated parents; exposure to a wide social network of high-achieving peers; lack of environmental stressors; and probably genetic endowments for health & intelligence.
Does anyone know of studies that have tried to tease out how much effect the educational system actually has on student outcomes, once you've controlled for parental wealth/intelligence/education/etc?
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#48This argument, while important, is the low hanging fruit of the affirmative action debate in my opinion. We would not need affirmative action if legacy based admissions wasn't so prevalent in top schools. We would not need affirmative action if every school district in America recieved proper funding to support teachers and enable smaller class sizes, test prep for students to take specialized exams, and after school…
In Minneapolis the best schools are not the best funded. The North Minneapolis schools, which perform the worst, have the highest funding per pupil by a fair margin.
I wish we could stop talking about education as though it's just a question of money. Certainly a base level of funding is required, but the real determinant of how well a child will do academically is how involved their parents are.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Almost all the ivy leagues have in person interviews... Also are people supposed to fake their names?
Is Elizabeth Warren a traditional indigenous name?
Truly, Warren is the gift who keeps on giving. She seems to be in the middle of every political disagreement...
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#50A lot of commenters here are demonstrating that they do not understand the difference between racism and racial discrimination.
Racsim is the systematic oppression of people. It's carried out in instutions, culture, and processes: individual people do not perform racsim. (Individuals can discriminate.)
Racism depends on country / region. In the US, racism exits against black and brown people. It is a system set up for the benefit of white people.