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The ties between Silicon Valley and the military run deep

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Re: The ties between Silicon Valley and the military run deep

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post #34

It's seems like more than a coincidence that the first and most primary AWS installation was built at Dulles Airport in 2002-2003. Right down the road from the newly formed and growing DHS alphabet soup of agencies.

I always figured it was because of Internet connectivity, as Dulles is near the original MAE-East network access point (NAP).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAE-East

Re: The ties between Silicon Valley and the military run deep

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure you want to be unarmed in front of enemy just because someone else may use your weapons unresponsively? Look at Ukraine then. Ukraine exchanged their nuclear arsenal for promises of safety by Russia, Britain, and USA. Is Ukraine safe place now?

I think all he's saying is, that until he feels his own country resolves to use its arsenal in a somewhat responsible manner (he gave some pretty good examples to the contrary), he doesn't think you can make weapons for them in good conscience.

Yep. But I'm asking about consequences. Ukraine was very poor after collapse of socialism, so USA had worries that Ukraine may sold or lost some of their nuclear bombs, ballistic missiles, or supersonic bomber to an enemy of USA, so USA (with Russia and Britain) promised security to Ukraine in exchange of promise to demolish all that, and to stop development of any new weapons which can harm USA. So we dropped our weapons and stayed unarmed in front of Russia. I personally, counter-attacked Russians with pneumatic pistole, which I then exchanged on field to hand-made grenade, so other few, with real hunter riffles, had chance against AK's and BTR.

Is my example bad for you?

Re: The ties between Silicon Valley and the military run deep

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post #15

Everyone acts like military research is obviously evil. Is it really so terrible to research arms for the people who risk their lives keep us safe?

> Is it really so terrible to research arms for the people who risk their lives keep us safe? If this was the only thing the weapons were used for, then maybe people wouldn't be upset about this kind of stuff. The same arms will however also be used to extrajudicially assassinate people based on nothing else than their phone signal, in countries we are not at war with; they might be sold to regimes like Saudi Arabia…

This kind of detached and effete attitude is putrid and a clear sign of such impudence that it is a definitive sign of one's sanity if it makes one ill.

Nothing screams detached entitlement than arm chair criticism in the absence of rational thought and intellect.

At no time in all of humanity has ever a power existed that has shown as much restraint as the people of the USA. Call it a sign of overabundant achievement and plenty that we can afford such pathological altruism if you like, but it is nothing but astonishing that the USA and the people that created it have not used that power to any degree that is even worth noting, regardless of the effete impudent spoiled rotten, entitled snob class wants to nit pick in the absence of legitimate fault.

I do agree with you though in one regard, we should not be engaged with the world the way the USA is right now. We should be spending basically all research resources on discovering viable alternatives to oil for both energy and, more importantly, materials, so that we can pull back into the USA and slam the doors shut on the petulant savages that keep trying to tear the USA down all the while as they benefit from and take advantage of and have zero respect for us for everything that we do ... all the while demanding that the corrosive savages be allowed to storm our gates and freeload off us.

Take the EU, the most vile and sick petulant spoiled rotten snobs the world has ever seen, as they insult and try to damage us after having saved them from authoritarianism (which we apparently shouldn't have), rebuilt the European economy, have been protecting them with our military paid for by our citizens being robbed of both money and opportunity, and subsidizing their industry through imbalanced tolls and tariffs, all so they could offer "free" healthcare and "free" education, paid for by American tax payers that have been robbed and stolen from for decades now to support spoiled rotten brats not just in self-important Europe, but all around the world.

Guess why you are able to dialogue on this site, and why Silicon Valley even exists when nothing even remotely like it exists anywhere else, and why does the USA exist that everyone wants to parasitize and freeload off, and why you have democracy and freedom ... yes, because of that evil evil military that has been doing nothing but keeping the deepest most heinous impulses of all the alternatives to the USA from expressing themselves, is why you are free and why your life has been improving and why it is better than that of your parents.

The disrespect stops here and you will start having to face the reality of what it means not to be able to take advantage of the American people and are in for a rude awakening when you realize that you were spitting in our face and ridiculing us and making fun of this, that, and the other thing while not having the most basic sense to not bite the hand that fed you for so long and you took for granted like the spoiled rotten brants you are.

How about addressing why we are having to conduct extrajudicial assassinations of people in order to keep not just the USA safe, but YOU safe and YOUR economies from failing when, e.g., muslims overthrow the vile yet necessary Saudi authoritarian regime. You want to be so stupidly high and mighty and self-righteous from your little armchair? ... How about you go do that in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and Somalia or China? Leave the evil evil west and USA, go flee to the far more morally superior noble savage society you put on a delusional pedestal. And sure as hell stop using anything America and the American people in the American military have produced; no more computers, no internet, definitely cannot be on site site or any social media, you can't use GPS or mobile phones, and you can't use planes. The list goes no and on. So stop using all the things you spoiled rotten brats take for granted.

Re: The ties between Silicon Valley and the military run deep

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it really so terrible to research arms for the people who risk their lives keep us safe? If this was the only thing the weapons were used for, then maybe people wouldn't be upset about this kind of stuff. The same arms will however also be used to extrajudicially assassinate people based on nothing else than their phone signal, in countries we are not at war with; they might be sold to regimes like Saudi Arabia…

Are you sure you want to be unarmed in front of enemy just because someone else may use your weapons unresponsively? Look at Ukraine then. Ukraine exchanged their nuclear arsenal for promises of safety by Russia, Britain, and USA. Is Ukraine safe place now?

Speaking as someone in the military: yes. There are a great many weapons i dont want. Because by me (and everyone else in uniform) not wanting them they dont exist. Top of that list: plastic schrapnel. I dont want. It isnt manufactured. Therefore even ISIS cannot use it.

Also on the list: direct-energy blinding weapons design to destroy the retina. Easily biult, but happily not a thing.

Re: The ties between Silicon Valley and the military run deep

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

safe from all of those naked starving vietnamese peasants on the other side of the earth?

They are naked and starving because of Russian "help", not because of USA. Look at North Korea and on South Korea, if you still have doubts.

Parent comment was regarding "the people who risk their lives keep us safe".

How do naked starving peasants on the other side of the earth pose a threat to the world's only superpower?

Re: The ties between Silicon Valley and the military run deep

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Everyone acts like military research is obviously evil. Is it really so terrible to research arms for the people who risk their lives keep us safe?

This is ultimately a decision that everyone has to make on its own, and it's an ethically complex issue with many facets. My take on it is that if you contribute in any way to the development of a weapon that is used in morally unjustifiable ways, then you're complicit to murder and manslaughter, and you should be aware of that. For example, the US is conducting drone strikes in Afghanistan, which are essentially pol…

Anyone who pays taxes to the US federal government contributes to the development and maintenance of nuclear weapons. Most other weapons have insignificant effects by comparison. We should not underestimate their danger just because they have not recently been used.

That's the conundrum Americans should all be thinking about.

Re: The ties between Silicon Valley and the military run deep

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Everyone acts like military research is obviously evil. Is it really so terrible to research arms for the people who risk their lives keep us safe?

> Is it really so terrible to research arms for the people who risk their lives keep us safe?

If that’s all that was going on, maybe not. But when armaments and enterprise become intertwined, the idea of safety becomes subservient to economic growth. We are well past the point that any reasonable person would consider “preserving safety” and have been for some time.

Re: The ties between Silicon Valley and the military run deep

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are naked and starving because of Russian "help", not because of USA. Look at North Korea and on South Korea, if you still have doubts.

Parent comment was regarding " the people who risk their lives keep us safe ". How do naked starving peasants on the other side of the earth pose a threat to the world's only superpower?

Even naked starving peasant can launch a nuclear missile or an other «humanitarian help» from Russia. They have nothing to lose.

Re: The ties between Silicon Valley and the military run deep

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure you want to be unarmed in front of enemy just because someone else may use your weapons unresponsively? Look at Ukraine then. Ukraine exchanged their nuclear arsenal for promises of safety by Russia, Britain, and USA. Is Ukraine safe place now?

Speaking as someone in the military: yes. There are a great many weapons i dont want. Because by me (and everyone else in uniform) not wanting them they dont exist. Top of that list: plastic schrapnel. I dont want. It isnt manufactured. Therefore even ISIS cannot use it. Also on the list: direct-energy blinding weapons design to destroy the retina. Easily biult, but happily not a thing.

> Also on the list: direct-energy blinding weapons design to destroy the retina. Easily biult, but happily not a thing.

They are used by Russians against Ukrainian snipers. Few snipers are already blind at working eye.

Re: The ties between Silicon Valley and the military run deep

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ultimately a decision that everyone has to make on its own, and it's an ethically complex issue with many facets. My take on it is that if you contribute in any way to the development of a weapon that is used in morally unjustifiable ways, then you're complicit to murder and manslaughter, and you should be aware of that. For example, the US is conducting drone strikes in Afghanistan, which are essentially pol…

Anyone who pays taxes to the US federal government contributes to the development and maintenance of nuclear weapons. Most other weapons have insignificant effects by comparison. We should not underestimate their danger just because they have not recently been used. That's the conundrum Americans should all be thinking about.

You are Russian, isn't? Some whataboutism: What you think about your government and your taxes? Are they used properly?
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