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OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by virmundi »

_bxg1 wrote: post #8

I would honestly love to see a ground-up rebuild, but not the kind that would probably happen. OSX is getting creaky; it seems like it's had an increasing number of integral bugs lately, and the "redesign" that came with Yosemite felt more like a rushed coat of paint than a substantial rethink of the UX. Here's what I'd like to see: a fresh desktop OS that actually innovates in the space. Desktop UX innovation has sl…

Fix the terrible memory subsystem. There is no need to swap on a 16 GB laptop! Especially when Apple solders the drive to board! That leads to premature ware on the board and me having to spend 600$! My Linux machine is perfectly fine running 2 Eclipse IDEs, 3 docker containers and four Spring Boot Services. No swapping. Since macOS disabled overriding the memory configuration, my laptop swaps merely running Safari ( less than 10 tabs), and VSCode for Cordova all with 16 GB.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by FPGAhacker »

I see a lot of posts about updating / innovating the OS that mainly have to do with the GUI and app frameworks. Fair enough.

Personally, I wish they would just quit innovating for a while and FIX THE DAMN BUGS.

I am far more upset by a feature that doesn't work right, than I am an absent feature.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by eire1130 »

I strongly dislike the mac OS. I only use the system because a.) Duel booting systems are a real pita (oh, let me boost to windows so I can look at that spreadsheet in a excel). And b.) Macs are powerful and light. I spend 1hr plus on the subway, so that's important.

If windows had a sensible terminal environment and real package manager and i could use that, great. And not some hacky workaround. And no, powershell is not sensible.

I do like mint and ubuntu, but office productivity software is on linux terrible on linux envs imo.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by alsocasey »

eire1130 wrote: post #43

I strongly dislike the mac OS. I only use the system because a.) Duel booting systems are a real pita (oh, let me boost to windows so I can look at that spreadsheet in a excel). And b.) Macs are powerful and light. I spend 1hr plus on the subway, so that's important. If windows had a sensible terminal environment and real package manager and i could use that, great. And not some hacky workaround. And no, powershell i…

Personally, Bash on Ubuntu on Windows is a fine solution for my most common use cases.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by FPGAhacker »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #27
_bxg1 wrote: post #8

I would honestly love to see a ground-up rebuild, but not the kind that would probably happen. OSX is getting creaky; it seems like it's had an increasing number of integral bugs lately, and the "redesign" that came with Yosemite felt more like a rushed coat of paint than a substantial rethink of the UX. Here's what I'd like to see: a fresh desktop OS that actually innovates in the space. Desktop UX innovation has sl…

I agree that OSX is pretty creaky in certain areas, particularly the Finder for me. A spotty SMB/AFP connection should not lockup a system, and yet has remained a nightmare for as long as I can remember. Sadly, Apple has scared me off their legacy software rewrites with their rewrite of iTunes and High Sierra. The releases were either disastrously sloppy (High Sierra) or a complete letdown (iTunes remains hot garbage…

speaking of AFP, since apple is dumping their routers, does that mean time machine is going away? I imagine remote time machine will and we'll just have local snapshots.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by __sr__ »

_bxg1 wrote: post #14
drb91 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that the obvious problems with OS X (macOS, whatever) are with the UX, though. Sure, there are problems on that front, but I don't think they're the major pain points people deal with on a daily basis. Meanwhile, user-controllable per-process (or per-app) sandboxing would provide tangible benefit to all of us. This means, easy controls for accessing filesystem, network, cpu, gpu, memory, peripherals, an…

Yeah, some (arguably most) of the missing features/core problems are due to the fact that OSX has been all-but-ignored by Apple for half a decade, but some of them are just due to the fact that the UNIX paradigms are becoming outdated. Google is trying to solve the latter problem with Fuschia, you're right, which is interesting. But so far that OS's UX also looks like it's primarily mobile-focused, even if it's desig…

macOS does have — kind of — window snapping, doesn’t it? The split window mode? Or am I missing something? Although I agree that it should be more flexible and should have better keyboard controls....

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by exelius »

_bxg1 wrote: post #34
radley wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're overlooking Chrome OS (with open source equivalent Chromium OS). While it might not be ready for pro-level production, it certainly is a revolutionary lightweight OS that's gaining more and more traction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_OS

I'm well aware of Chrome OS. It's great for casual use, but to my knowledge it's really not a reasonable development platform. Generally speaking, developers want/need: - A fully-accessible file system - A bash command line - Tool support. Repositories, code runtimes, compilers, IDE's, etc. I know there are some all-in-one web-based IDE's that you can work in, which are interesting, but I've yet to see one that could…

With all the new IAC stuff coming out, expect big companies to move the web IDE route over the next 10 years. Even if it’s less functional, they will push it out. I have several clients really interested in it; not least because in combination with a serverless architecture, it makes end-to-end security really easy.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by giobox »

FPGAhacker wrote: post #45
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that OSX is pretty creaky in certain areas, particularly the Finder for me. A spotty SMB/AFP connection should not lockup a system, and yet has remained a nightmare for as long as I can remember. Sadly, Apple has scared me off their legacy software rewrites with their rewrite of iTunes and High Sierra. The releases were either disastrously sloppy (High Sierra) or a complete letdown (iTunes remains hot garbage…

speaking of AFP, since apple is dumping their routers, does that mean time machine is going away? I imagine remote time machine will and we'll just have local snapshots.

I don't think so, at least not immediately - network Time Machine backups are supported on a wide array of third party NAS style devices, much the same as it worked on Apple's own Time Capsule device. I did a similar thing on my home made NAS server box to allow it to appear as a network Time Machine volume "natively" recently too. It's a pretty popular feature on the usual NAS players like Synology's products as well.

That said, the focus is clearly much more on iCloud these days, Time Machine feels like it hasn't seen development in years. I was lamenting its slow performance the other day.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by sebnap »

linguae wrote: post #31
jgh wrote: post #2

I'm not sure why the article is speculating about a "seismic" change. Apple (and Microsoft and Google have followed) has established a pattern for their OS evolution: yearly incremental updates.

When Steve Jobs announced the transition from the PowerPC to the x86 architecture in 2005, he mentioned that the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X which took place between 2001 and 2003 set Apple up for the next 20 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghdTqnYnFyg It's 2018, 20 years since Apple first announced Mac OS X at WWDC 1998 as a change from their original Rhapsody strategy. The 20th anniversary of the ac…

Beautifully said. I imagine a unix that works out of the box like a general purpose macOS.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by code_duck »

_bxg1 wrote: post #8

I would honestly love to see a ground-up rebuild, but not the kind that would probably happen. OSX is getting creaky; it seems like it's had an increasing number of integral bugs lately, and the "redesign" that came with Yosemite felt more like a rushed coat of paint than a substantial rethink of the UX. Here's what I'd like to see: a fresh desktop OS that actually innovates in the space. Desktop UX innovation has sl…

As far as Ubuntu supporting window snapping, it’s worth noting that Linux has supported every conceivable window management feature for years, including some that have never come anywhere near Windows or Mac, like tiling window managers. making window management entirely modular.

Every WM or desktop combo in Linux has other features I find highly convenient which are strangely missing from Mac and Windows, such as a drag modifier key for windows, which allows you to move a window when the title bar is off screen. I prefer features like windowshading to minimization, too, and it is simple to configure Linux to do that, unlike Mac or Windows. I don’t use the feature, but would surprised if window-snap-to-borders wasn’t supported as far back as KDE 1.3 or WindowMaker .92.

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