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Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#41

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What culture could Google bring to Berlin?

There are tons of books written about Google's culture, but my favorite is ”How Google Works” by Eric Schmidt and Jonathan Rosenberg.

So we’ve reached the point where hagiography of corporations is now the same thing as culture? In that case, I hope Google doesn’t bring its “culture” of colluding with competitors to fix wages to Berlin.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#42

If you kicked out every company that's done anything unethical or amoral, you'd have no companies left. If Berliners really want to shoot themselves in the foot like this then Google can take its operations elsewhere at no loss while the locals are out better paying tech jobs and a market signal that would invite more tech companies and startups to the area. I'm glad I don't live in Berlin right now.

I love comments like this. Probably not intended as a critique of capitalism but this guy is clearly very close to seeing how exploitation is at the very heart of our system.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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post #27

Just like people repeatedly breaking the windows of a coffee shop nearby because the owners are "bankers from London" (this was stated as the #1 selling point for boycot in a flyer) this entire movement exposes the worst Kreuzberg has to offer: an incredibly self-righteous xenophobia. People think they are so incredibly open minded when they are pro refugees, but as soon as it's the "wrong kind of Ausländer" (the one…

Ah, the old “hating rich people is the same as racism” defense.

Ah, the old "my hateful violent behavior isn't literally racism" defence.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#44
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are tons of books written about Google's culture, but my favorite is ”How Google Works” by Eric Schmidt and Jonathan Rosenberg.

> Jonathan Rosenberg is the former Senior Vice President of Products at Google and current advisor to Alphabet Inc. CEO Larry Page. > Eric Emerson Schmidt is an American businessman and software engineer. He is known for being the Executive Chairman of Google from 2001 to 2017 and Alphabet Inc. from 2015 to 2017. That book surely will paint a fair and objective view.

It is a subjective account by people who were and are very close to Google. Thank you for pointing out the bias for people who may have missed it.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are tons of books written about Google's culture, but my favorite is ”How Google Works” by Eric Schmidt and Jonathan Rosenberg.

So we’ve reached the point where hagiography of corporations is now the same thing as culture? In that case, I hope Google doesn’t bring its “culture” of colluding with competitors to fix wages to Berlin.

The book has a detailed accounting of the type of culture the founders and executives were intentioning. It is not an unbiased source of information and should be read with discretion.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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Pretty immature website, I get why people are against Google and specifically this campus but this website rubs me the wrong way. If they made the same arguments, cleaned up the language and delivery and cited it with studies, papers and facts it would be a much more credible site. They should probably change the domain name as well.

I agree with your points, but it's worth noting that to non-native English speakers, certain words, in particular profanity, don't have the same meaning/impact that they do for native speakers. Just the same as if you uttered a string of, say, Hungarian expletives at the dinner table with your family (assuming you aren't Hungarian speakers), it would not be considered terribly offensive, most likely.

I found this to be an interesting article on this topic: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/fashion/06love.html

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#47

The rents in Kreuzberg already increased a lot this past decade: https://guthmann-estate.com/marketreport/micro-market-report... Gentrification is a problem, but long time renters in Germany are really having it good. An example of how does the system works here: I pay twice as much as some German friends living in my district because my parents didn't sign me up in a union 20 years ago. I'm OK with that, it's the ga…

I don't understand this new mentality that "Gentrification is a problem," companies and wealthier people moving in makes everyone in the area more wealthy. The problem of affordable housing has less to do with those companies moving in and more to do with local real estate monopolies that lobby against rezoning for residential and expanding building permits. That's basically the bay area in a nutshell. People complai…

> makes everyone in the area more wealthy

I'm as yimby as they come, but I'm not sure this is true for everyone. It does mean that the local burger joint can charge more for hamburgers and that the line cooks can plausibly negotiate for higher pay. But its a pretty strong statement that this is true for everyone.

> real estate monopolies

In what areas are even 25% of residences owned by a single entity? In what areas are 25% of rental residences being offered by a single entity?

> People complain about the lack of affordable housing, yet building new residential areas is a tapestry of red tape.

True

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#48

Typical leftist/anarchist nonsense, although Google should probably choose a better location anyway. In these areas of Berlin, their engineers will more likely be mugged, their cars burned, their offices vandalized. Munich would be a more sensible choice, or even Vienna.

I think you mean knit bombed and unable to find parking. plenty of street art as well as graffiti on buildings.

you have to wonder, if Berlin is just a bunch of nonsensical leftists and anarchists, why would Google be so interested in opening an engineering office here? it couldn't have anything to do with the talent they want to hire and retain wanting to live in Berlin, would it?

I mean, does Google really give a shit about 18euro pqm versus 24 o4 25 in Frankfurt? highly doubtful. so what do you think the reason is, if you truly believe your Berlin anarchy thesis?

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#50
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> Instead of a nice friendly “campus” we see a Google farm for harvesting Kreuzberg’s brains and talents, or a Google mine in which ideas and data will be extracted out of Berlin It's simply not a zero sum game. Google will bring culture and resources with it that could enhance Berlin.

> Google will bring culture and resources with it that could enhance Berlin. Like what? Berlin has a vibrant and energetic tech scene, what is Google going to bring that Kreuzberg is lacking?

coffee that is even more expensive. restaurants and cafes that only Google salary expendable income can afford. and....nothing else.
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