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The rise of the pointless job

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Re: The rise of the pointless job

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In some developing countries, there's an unofficial social contract that the wealthy should employ as many people as possible, even if they need to make pointless jobs. A company I worked for had a remote office in India that employed people to hand out paper towels in the bathrooms.

noblesse oblige - which can mean many things - but it often includes this.

Re: The rise of the pointless job

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post #35

In some developing countries, there's an unofficial social contract that the wealthy should employ as many people as possible, even if they need to make pointless jobs. A company I worked for had a remote office in India that employed people to hand out paper towels in the bathrooms.

Creativity helps a lot here

Re: The rise of the pointless job

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Honest question: how much of our work is not absolutely necessary?

It's easy to write a piece of software once and share it with everybody.

The product you are working on - what unique value is giving to humanity?

(I mean beyond "it pays the bills" and "it uses $popular_thing_of_the_year")

I believe we reached a level of productivity where - in rich countries - we are all keeping each other busy with loads of unnecessary work.

Re: The rise of the pointless job

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I work a very productive job with direct outputs. But my job still doesn't advance humanity forward. My company provides a solution for problems caused by other entities, but it isn't a solution to some fundamental problem. Some days I feel as if the job is pointless because, in the end, I'm just a duct taper, even if I'm duct taping for an entity that is outside of my organization.

If you take the concepts in this argument and expand it beyond just companies (which the author started to do when mentioning armed forces counted as goons), I think we would see a society that is already filled with useless jobs.

Re: The rise of the pointless job

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds pretty interesting, can you recommend any books on Japan about this particular period/topic?

My major source for all this was Marius Jansen's The Making of Modern Japan . It's a sweeping book - 600 pages, I think, and covers everything from 1300 to 2000 - but one of its main focuses is the end of the Sengoku period and the rise of the Tokugawa.

This looks fantastic, thank you.

Re: The rise of the pointless job

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The goon category is interesting in a future world where AI has replaced most jobs, because it can employ an unlimited number of people. (Goon jobs exist to counterbalance other goon jobs. Militaries are the canonical example.) Most jobs -- teachers, auto workers, plumbers, farmers -- have a natural ceiling on employment related to demand, but goon jobs don't because when one side hires more goons, the other side has…

I die inside.

But any suggestion of "mincome" or the like is met with such a harsh reaction... What, effectively, is the difference between goon-bloom and mincome? Is it just that one is too obviously a subsidy?

Re: The rise of the pointless job

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Pointless jobs like being paid to write an article about pointless jobs? Edit: For those to whom the humor didn't come across, I'm just teasing. This isn't an attack on the author.

Even if the content of the article is entirely frivolous, isn't the existence of the discussion here proof that it has at the very least provided some entertainment?

And isn't discussing a potentially enormous societal inefficiency worth doing?

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