Live data from Hacker News

Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

selectedintelligence.com

41–50 of 317 posts

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#41
post #27

If the page loads completely then yes it redirects to medium.com. But you can read the article by interrupting the redirect and clicking the stop button.

This is true. It took me five goes, but I am over 40 and my mouse finger is not what it was.

Just hitting Esc on the keyboard should also work to stop the redirect/load.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law is meant to allow me to delete my account from your cool SV startup, and delete meaning actually delete the data and not deactivate the account but continue using or selling my data. The cookie law is a problem because lazy web developers did not implement it right, probably you complain about don't spam me law because it adds a bit of extra work for adding the unsubscribe link and implement the requierements…

There is big difference in law and regulation between intention and real-world effects. For instance, making marijuana illegal has the intention of decreasing drug addiction and dependence but has the effects of disproportionately encarcerating youth aka "criminals" under the new law for drug consumption, and thus limiting their opportunities in the socio-economic system. If you look into it I think parent is most li…

big coorps do have massive teams and monetary funds to deal with this legislation, startups and one-man shops do not.

That applies to literally every piece of legislation. Yet we don't decide that small restaurants should be exempt from food hygiene laws, or that small construction teams should be exempt from health and safety laws.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#43

Maybe I'm out of touch with HN, but kudos to Medium. I delete the article for a reason, why should someone read it years later (regardless of the website or format.) It's my article

What would credibility mean in a world where lies, mistakes, and fits of emotion could be erased completely?

I'm not sure I understand the question. As it is now, the vast majority of my transgressions in real life disappear into a memory hole. What makes the internet so special in that regard? You want there to be a permanent digital record of people's mistakes, why? So that those best at hiding their defects can get ahead? Why is that desirable?

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#44
post #27

If the page loads completely then yes it redirects to medium.com. But you can read the article by interrupting the redirect and clicking the stop button.

This is true. It took me five goes, but I am over 40 and my mouse finger is not what it was.

Why mouse? Click the link and press escape. You youngsters with your mouses.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#45
post #21

I wonder how wayback machine will work after GDPR? I can't imagine they can just show content that the authors deleted from primary sources?

I assume they'll continue as now: take down copies on request. It's not like they didn't have to deal with content people didn't want to archive them before.

I doubt it. GDPR is the obvious next step in the war on GPC (memory specifically). archive.org exists to fix that. If they fall because some other country has no 1st, they fail. Other people have copies.

Who exits next?

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#46
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Wayback Machine has always had a policy to delete things if requested, so there's no real change there. The most common way site owners do that is by changing robots.txt. In line with the Oakland Archive Policy [1], the Internet Archive respects robots.txt retroactively , so a site owner can get archived versions deleted just by excluding them in the robots file. Besides that, they respond to DMCA takedowns, one-…

Changing robots.txt does not delete content from their archives. If you remove the robots.txt file, the content becomes viewable again. There's no scenario where they can respond to the vast scale of GDPR violations that their archive likely represents, when it comes to manually removing content. There are only three possibilities: avoid the EU as much as possible, dump the archives and start over with an entirely di…

There's no scenario where they can respond to the vast scale of GDPR violations that their archive likely represents, when it comes to manually removing content.

"GDPR violations". What's that, exactly? As far as I know, you only have to remove personal data upon request, no preemptively. So I don't see how they are "violations".

Will a lot of people make these requests? Possibly, but where's the evidence of that? People have been able to use copyright takedown requests (e.g. under the DMCA) forever, yet the Archive is still around.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law is meant to allow me to delete my account from your cool SV startup, and delete meaning actually delete the data and not deactivate the account but continue using or selling my data. The cookie law is a problem because lazy web developers did not implement it right, probably you complain about don't spam me law because it adds a bit of extra work for adding the unsubscribe link and implement the requierements…

There is big difference in law and regulation between intention and real-world effects. For instance, making marijuana illegal has the intention of decreasing drug addiction and dependence but has the effects of disproportionately encarcerating youth aka "criminals" under the new law for drug consumption, and thus limiting their opportunities in the socio-economic system. If you look into it I think parent is most li…

> For instance, making marijuana illegal has the intention of decreasing drug addiction and dependence

That’s not right, is it?

Didn’t that Nixon aide admit the drug war was a ruse?[1]

1. https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/xd7jkn/a-former-nixon-aid...

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can't, and I would like to know what Europe wants to do about it. Block wayback machine in Europe ? Well, I can still access it with a VPN if I want. Also I want to know what they will do about git and GitHub, or even blockchain project (how you delete something from a blockchain ?) The problem is that GDPR is a stupid legislation written by incompetent people that doesn't understand the subject and imposed with…

What a large number of people fail to realise is that the GDPR applies to any person (natural or legal; a data controller and/or data processor) that holds personal data on a EU citizen or EU resident, regardless of where the data controller (or data processor) is. Obviously EU law can only be enforced in the EU but if you are a business then any funds in the EU that belong to the data controller can be frozen or use…

Nitpick, but as far as I understand it, it's only EU residents (regardless of their citizenship). The specific text says "data subjects who are in the Union", and citizen never appears in it.

(This is for foreign businesses. EU businesses have to apply it to everyone, regardless of their location or citizenship.)

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#49
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true. It took me five goes, but I am over 40 and my mouse finger is not what it was.

Why mouse? Click the link and press escape. You youngsters with your mouses.

And there you go, it turns out that ‘mouses’ is an accepted pleural for a computer mouse.

Less horrible than ‘Magic Trackpad 2 — Silvers’ I suppose.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#50

I wonder how wayback machine will work after GDPR? I can't imagine they can just show content that the authors deleted from primary sources?

They can't, and I would like to know what Europe wants to do about it. Block wayback machine in Europe ? Well, I can still access it with a VPN if I want. Also I want to know what they will do about git and GitHub, or even blockchain project (how you delete something from a blockchain ?) The problem is that GDPR is a stupid legislation written by incompetent people that doesn't understand the subject and imposed with…

Sorry, can you explain to me what's stupid about it?

Not allowing information about people to be kept ad-infinitum (and sold ad-infinitum)?

Allow data breaches caused by sheer incompetence to go unchecked?

As much as I worry about its consequences, companies saw it coming.

Post reply on HN