Teen monitoring apps don't work, and drive a wedge between teens and parents

Post by waisbrot » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:03 PM UTC

currymj wrote: post #8

OscarCunningham wrote: post #4

>Both studies, which haven’t been published in a peer-reviewed journal, are set to be presented later this month at the Association for Computing Machinery’s Conference on Human Factors in Computing Systems held in Montreal, Canada. Wisniewski says that the research was peer reviewed prior to its acceptance into the conference, though. In CS, conferences are considered just as good as journals.

this is probably the most infuriating thing about academic CS, is condescension from people in every other field about this fact.

Post by frostwhale » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:04 PM UTC

YCode wrote: post #14

It strikes me that the parents who install these apps are likely to be parents who are raising more challenging children. That's not to imply they are bad parents, just that the kid went through a divorce, intense bullying, a change in schools, etc. and that trauma caused them to engage in activities that led to their parents installing the app. I guess in a phrase have they shown causation?

Post by malnourish » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:06 PM UTC

sathackr wrote: post #37

erispoe wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so much about the breach of trust than about raising independent, well-functioning individuals. There's good evidence than sheltering kids and not allowing them to experiment on their own terms, including by experiencing the consequences of their own actions, does not create well adapted adults. Parents who install monitoring systems are prioritizing their own short-term well-being and peace of mind at the e…

What consequences could you imagine a parent should allow a 10 year old to experience? The consequences of an abnormal sexual development or an unhealthy attitude towards females due to stumbling across hardcore porn and becoming addicted to it at a young age? The consequences of mistaking someone on the internet as a friend and giving them your full address and name so they could bring you ice cream? There are thing…

Post by ausjke » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:07 PM UTC

sathackr wrote: post #21

throwaway84742 wrote: post #15

Here are my results so far: 1. MS Family Safety: can be easily turned off by the child 2. Kaspersky Safe Kids: doesn’t really work at all. 3. Qustodio: doesn’t block apps, so kinda useless. It blocks some, but not others. I would pay good money for something that does work. As things are now, my 14 yo can only use his computer under adult supervision to do his homework. Otherwise he doesn’t do it at all. I don’t even…

We use sophos UTM. It's free for personal use and works about as good as it can work. It filters based on site category and does SSL interception. We have a VPN on the mobile devices that funnels all traffic through the home network so that it is monitored and protected no matter where they are.

Post by Mononokay » Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 2:09 PM UTC

sathackr wrote: post #37

erispoe wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so much about the breach of trust than about raising independent, well-functioning individuals. There's good evidence than sheltering kids and not allowing them to experiment on their own terms, including by experiencing the consequences of their own actions, does not create well adapted adults. Parents who install monitoring systems are prioritizing their own short-term well-being and peace of mind at the e…

What consequences could you imagine a parent should allow a 10 year old to experience? The consequences of an abnormal sexual development or an unhealthy attitude towards females due to stumbling across hardcore porn and becoming addicted to it at a young age? The consequences of mistaking someone on the internet as a friend and giving them your full address and name so they could bring you ice cream? There are thing…