As someone with limited mobile data, not cool, Google.
This after Google created a cell carrier for people who use less data (Project Fi) and want per-gb billing.
How fast is AMP really?
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Re: How fast is AMP really?
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Publishers go through the trouble in order to get the boost in Google's rankings. As an iOS user I find AMP to be quite buggy, and AMP versions of pages like reddit are borderline non-functional. I don't prefer it at all.
It's a trouble of writing template once though and it is not that much work. I worked on this at my previous employer and it was alright, little frustrating but once it was done, it was done until you redesign the pages. Disc: Googler but nowhere close to AMP.
It’s a continuous pita as it’s buggy as hell and as a publisher we are the ones who get blamed.
Re: How fast is AMP really?
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> Please avoid commas (or dots) as thousands separators. You might as well say 'please ignore the standards of your country in favour of mine.' Are you really not aware that this is the standard in Europe?
Parent is clearly a European (or denizen of another local that uses commas as decimal markers), as they interpreted 4,604ms as slightly over 4ms. Also, they advise using an ISO ( International Standards Organization) standard, specifically to avoid misinterpretation while remaining locale-independent.
I think the confusion is more about secondes vs ms. Like 4.604s parses easier in my brain.
Re: How fast is AMP really?
#44I think the point of AMP is it gives Google a simple and reliable way to detect fast rendering pages that render well on mobile in a way that can't be easily gamed. When you allow unrestricted usage of JavaScript that's changing page content, loading styles etc. for example, detecting pages like this is more difficult.
You can write performant pages without AMP but how would Google reliably detect pages like this?
I'm not saying AMP is the best solution and I can see why some developers have objections against it but I think I understand what it's trying to do.
Re: How fast is AMP really?
#45Re: How fast is AMP really?
#46I think the point of AMP is it gives Google a simple and reliable way to detect fast rendering pages that render well on mobile in a way that can't be easily gamed. When you allow unrestricted usage of JavaScript that's changing page content, loading styles etc. for example, detecting pages like this is more difficult. You can write performant pages without AMP but how would Google reliably detect pages like this? I'…
> I think I understand what it's trying to do.
It's appifying the WWW on Google's domain and allowing them to dictate how sites are monetized. On the most basic level, it isn't motivated by speed.
Re: How fast is AMP really?
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Publishers go through the trouble in order to get the boost in Google's rankings. As an iOS user I find AMP to be quite buggy, and AMP versions of pages like reddit are borderline non-functional. I don't prefer it at all.
It's a trouble of writing template once though and it is not that much work. I worked on this at my previous employer and it was alright, little frustrating but once it was done, it was done until you redesign the pages. Disc: Googler but nowhere close to AMP.
It is absolutely not that simple. We are a marketing company working with hundreds of publishers and this is a constant struggle.
It's splitting whatever little dev time they have on yet another format that adds nothing to the already universally accessible "web" version.
Re: How fast is AMP really?
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This seems to be a European issue perhaps? I've never once been confused by a comma in a number. In fact, it makes them easier to read, not harder. Can you describe your experience with numbers? Are you a mathematician or in some other scientific field? Also, it seems odd to make a request like this of a (seemingly) random author on the internet. It feels similar to making a demand to change writing style. (ie, oxfor…
You must be American then because that's the American format. Different countries and languages have different format of numbers. That's one of the most common issue in internationalization. If you send a bill for a 5,000 dollars service, expect your international customers to send you back five dollars. The comma is broadly interpreted as the decimal separator.
I thought it was broadly the English-language format. AFAIK the comma is the thousands separator in the US, the UK, Australia and Canada.
Re: How fast is AMP really?
#49A suggestion for the author: Please avoid commas (or dots) as thousands separators. My brain parses "4,604ms" as "about four milliseconds", which would be amazing, but is very much not what you mean. ISO recommends half-width spaces as thousands separators to avoid this kind of confusion. Also, I think thousands separators can just be skipped if your numbers are only four or five digits wide.
>> Please avoid commas (or dots) as thousands separators. You might as well say 'please ignore the standards of your country in favour of mine.' Are you really not aware that this is the standard in Europe?
While it is an odd request, that's not really fair to the parent commenter. He's asking for a _neutral_ representation to be used, so that those used to both format find it easier to read. He even goes out of his way to specify that he doesn't want his format used.
It's the same reason I write dates YYYY-MM-DD, a habit I picked up after working in a large company with employees from all over the world. (Though I generally wouldn't request other people to use it as well)
Re: How fast is AMP really?
#50A suggestion for the author: Please avoid commas (or dots) as thousands separators. My brain parses "4,604ms" as "about four milliseconds", which would be amazing, but is very much not what you mean. ISO recommends half-width spaces as thousands separators to avoid this kind of confusion. Also, I think thousands separators can just be skipped if your numbers are only four or five digits wide.
This seems to be a European issue perhaps? I've never once been confused by a comma in a number. In fact, it makes them easier to read, not harder. Can you describe your experience with numbers? Are you a mathematician or in some other scientific field? Also, it seems odd to make a request like this of a (seemingly) random author on the internet. It feels similar to making a demand to change writing style. (ie, oxfor…
1,000,000 is easy to read, 1.000.000 too. It’s values like 1.350 that trip me up. Using a small space is not confusing to anybody.