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China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by legulere »

jsonne wrote: post #11

China is doing this explicitly, but the West has been doing this implicitly for a while. Doxxing people with the "wrong" opinion and emailing their employers, friends, etc. I pretty regularly see if on Facebook where someone says something and their post or a screenshot of their post is shared hundreds of thousands of times with test that says "make this person famous". To be clear people should be called out for big…

It’s not just on the internet by random people, the state and the media are involved too. Once you did a mistake and it will never be forgotten.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by Consultant32452 »

anf wrote: post #25
jsonne wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I was bringing up that in my mind they both fall under the same overarching trend I've been seeing in the west for a while.

If you don't want things you post screen-shot-ed and re-pasted, don't post them on the internet under your real name?

If you don't want your career destroyed and your life threatened, don't come to work on "no whites" day at your college.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by walterbell »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #33
matte_black wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good lord, if I was banned from buying anything on Amazon or its subsidiaries I’d be incredibly fucked . I never thought of this before, it left me with a thousand yard stare.

How did you manage before Amazon was a thing?

Before local retail stores went out of business due to competition from Amazon who was not charging sales taxes?

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by fenwick67 »

trhway wrote: post #23
iooi wrote: post #2

So if we assume they're getting their ideas from Black Mirror, how much longer until they start using humans for energy? [1] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2089049/

i think this episode and Matrix got it wrong wrt. what humans would be used for. It isn't energy production. Given that humans have largest brain with largest brain/body ratio and with good energy efficiency the opening scene from Matrix looks to me like racks of GPUs running distributed computation/simulation. In the spirit of this episode and the totalitarian nature of China today and the whole world tomorrow, i th…

Yeah humans are not very efficient at power conversion and I hate seeing this trope.

When The Matrix was first conceived, the machines used humans for some computing, but that was dumbed down a bit in the final product.

EDIT: ugh, double jinx

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by thriftwy »

RubenSandwich wrote: post #4

If anyone wants to see some of the negative effects of a persistent 'social score' that affects real life I recommend this Black Mirror episode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive .

I like how in Nosedive, nobody is ever having fun.

I mean, guests at the party (spoiler) should be amused at the ghost of the maid and the scandal, filming it and all - especially young guys. It should go completely viral. Instead they stand frowning as if they're 70 - to avoid hurting their score.

Under social credit society, everybody will be forced to act like they're at the end of their life path.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by mfoy_ »

drefanzor wrote: post #27
tome wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woah, there's a difference between an "internet lynch mob" doing it and the state doing it!

The state does do it. It's called a criminal record which is strikingly easy to obtain in the U.S. which has a law for everything imaginable. If you've ever had any kind of criminal activity, ever, even from something dumb in your youth, the United States has a log of it, which employers use to discriminate against that person. Forever. It doesn't go away. The "miscreant" is then forced either into a life of crime, w…

A criminal record, while cumbersome and overly-easy to attain, doesn't impose nearly the same scope of restrictions as this article suggests...

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

pm90 wrote: post #9

The thing that worries me most about the autocracy in China is that all of these Orwellian measures would actually work and then would be pointed out as an example to abandon our civil liberties in favor of a system that may be big brotherly but at least "your kids will always be safe, never be close to any bad person" (By We I'm referring to Democracies). It may also be a uniquely Chinese thing too though. China has…

China doesn’t have a very powerful central state, local governments have lots of power and often act out of sight from Beijing. This actually leads to more abuses of the system, however.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by ghaff »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #33
matte_black wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good lord, if I was banned from buying anything on Amazon or its subsidiaries I’d be incredibly fucked . I never thought of this before, it left me with a thousand yard stare.

How did you manage before Amazon was a thing?

Not the OP, but I managed before cell phones and lots of other things too. I could survive without Amazon as well. But, for many types of items, there's no comparable online one-stop shop which would be, at the least, very inconvenient.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by lainga »

pm90 wrote: post #9

The thing that worries me most about the autocracy in China is that all of these Orwellian measures would actually work and then would be pointed out as an example to abandon our civil liberties in favor of a system that may be big brotherly but at least "your kids will always be safe, never be close to any bad person" (By We I'm referring to Democracies). It may also be a uniquely Chinese thing too though. China has…

I'd say it's more an extreme reading into the Confucian ideals of social harmony and fraternity: the State (or Emperor) is the head of the country, and its families, as a father is the head of his own family. Although I may be finding too many parallels with prewar Japan.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by iooi »

rsynnott wrote: post #16
iooi wrote: post #2

So if we assume they're getting their ideas from Black Mirror, how much longer until they start using humans for energy? [1] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2089049/

The Chinese social credit system has been around in some form for longer than Black Mirror. Black Mirror got the idea from THEM.

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