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Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by rwmj »

irrational wrote: post #26
fold wrote: post #17

I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.

You might want to move to China. Even though the country "should" have 5+ timezones, it only has 1 (Beijing Standard Time).

Or any country, since timezones only have a 1 hour granularity. If you're in Edinburgh (same longitude as Plymouth) this is quite noticable. Be interesting to see the consequences of hyper-local timezones where the sun is always over your head at 12 noon. With modern computing it should be possible to have your watch adjust as you drive east-west ...

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by thekingofh »

rwmj wrote: post #33
Sargos wrote: post #4

I am fully in favor of this. I enjoy having more sunlight after work when I can actually go out and enjoy it.

I'm quite convinced my parents believe that there's more sunlight because we switch to summer time.

There is more time in the summer because of the angle of the Earth to the Sun. Can see the effects even more when at high angles like closer to the North Pole. And to boot, Daylight savings makes it even more pronounced.

Hoping other states follow.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by blang »

cheald wrote: post #16
taeric wrote: post #2

I'm torn on this. Yes, having a shift of a full hour in a week is obnoxious. However, the natural sun up and sun down time changes so dramatically in its own, that it is hard to really complain about it. If anything, I could see society moving to a time more based on when the sun comes up. Yes, there are difficulties scheduling something with someone across distance on the earth. But... I don't see a practical soluti…

Arizona doesn't observe DST and hasn't since 1968. It works great, and the rest of the country should follow suit, IMO. We're no longer a nation of farmers whose work depends on daylight.

From what I understand farmers hate DST more than anyone. They tend to wake up at dawn and shifting the time an hour gives them an hour less time until the rest of the area wakes.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by derekp7 »

Sargos wrote: post #4

I am fully in favor of this. I enjoy having more sunlight after work when I can actually go out and enjoy it.

But why do we need to change the time on the clock in order to have this? Just go into work an hour early, and leave an hour early. If it is a matter of coordination, have an official government statement that summer business hours adjust during x - z months.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by bena »

waqf wrote: post #19
Sargos wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just gave systems programmers panic attack with those words.

Not as big a problem as it sounds. "System time" used for scientific and engineering purposes should continue to use UTC and should ignore changes to civil time statutes. It becomes more complicated to translate between system time and civil time, but there are relatively few applications for which you really need to be able to do that conversion — and libraries that handle those cases are complicated already.

It's a huge problem. Your "system time" proposal is already the way things are done.

But people like to know when they did something based on their own clock. Already that one hour shift causes goddamn headaches in showing the proper time to the user for past events.

Now instead of just figuring out if we're across one threshold or another and adjusting another hour, we have to figure out what time of what day it was and figure out what the offset was at that time?

No. Just get rid of DST.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by theandrewbailey »

If I'm reading this correctly ("Daylight saving time shall be the year-round standard time of the entire state and all of its political subdivisions"), this is going to be terrible for people living in or near Pensacola. The far end of the panhandle is in Central time, so it's going to be an hour (or two) ahead of everyone else around them in the winter.

https://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/current_time_in_florida...

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by neurotrace »

derekp7 wrote: post #44
Sargos wrote: post #4

I am fully in favor of this. I enjoy having more sunlight after work when I can actually go out and enjoy it.

But why do we need to change the time on the clock in order to have this? Just go into work an hour early, and leave an hour early. If it is a matter of coordination, have an official government statement that summer business hours adjust during x - z months.

Not everyone has that luxury.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Post by svantana »

benrbray wrote: post #20
Sargos wrote: post #4

I am fully in favor of this. I enjoy having more sunlight after work when I can actually go out and enjoy it.

Yes! I've always thought that we have it backwards. Why do we give ourselves more daylight in the summer when the days are naturally longer? If anything we should move them forward in the winter when we actually need it. That or eliminate it altogether, keeping "daylight-time" the default.

The amount of daylight is not changed by setting clocks. The point is to shift daylight hours away from "sleeping time", but still not having to get up when it's dark. The ideal daylight savings would be to synchronize clocks with sunrise, so that sunrise always occurs when it's time to get up (7 AM or whatever). Here in Sweden, where the length of the day varies from 6 to 18 hours, DST is really useful.
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