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Words for “yes” in Romance languages

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Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not oui in French?

If you read the article, this is a pattern in a number of languages, so there's no reason for it to come from French. It's also unlikely because the pronunciation is very different: https://forvo.com/word/oi/#ca

Catalonia borders France and has some similarities though.

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I really like profanity laced erudite articles, for some reason. Maybe it scratches a similar hitch that Rick does in Rick and Morty. Which makes me think, man I'd love to read a scientific paper written by Rick! :)

I like the use of hip hop lingo too, like the "Slavic shit" the Romanians are "on" and the "dope" way the Gaulish moustache-boys talk. Actually - and I don't know whether this was intentional on the writer's part - there's a parallel there, between people being attracted to how the Gauls talked (i.e. away from the very uncool "official" language of Latin), and the widespread appeal and co-option of hip hop lingo. Hip…

Oc. It's not only a joy to read- it's probably more accurate in the end. You can't really capture the spirit of any of that human behavior if you try to lean on dry academic rigor.

Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages

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Now this is a cool article. It's funny and ironic that an article uses slang while talking about how old languages acquired other phrases from other languages, calques.

I do wish future articles take note how adding humor to an article shows a level of care and understanding about the subject/ideas.

Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages

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I wonder, is occitan not related to occident and orient? and oil, well, that's norse for beer, remember where normandy has it's name from? That doesn't explain yes, no; but eu, as in euphemism might[1]. Heureka! In other news, what does si in greek letters look like? "σι"! Pretty close to oi nowadays and Celtic druids are speculated to have visited Greece. That doesn't invalidate the "this there" story, but maybe precedes it.

The disdain for Slavik in the article is confirming a slight bias.

[1]: also europe, eukaryote, oi-punk, Euler. Well, almost. "arobe" means harbor (ger. Heimathaven?) in some European language but I CBA to look up which it was or how it's written, right now.

Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages

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Sardinian for yes is 'eja' which I've read is derived differently from the two methods suggested here though I haven't seen any suggestions on what that derivation might be.

I just suggested greek "eu" for oi in another comment. Close enough in my book.

Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages

#47
Interesting notes about Latin. I always learned that Latin didn't have a direct analogue to "yes," with the closest thing being "ita vero"[1] (not just "ita"). But "sic" makes sense in many contexts.

[1]: "thus it is so," or "it is true," or "and how!".

Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages

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I wonder, is occitan not related to occident and orient? and oil, well, that's norse for beer, remember where normandy has it's name from? That doesn't explain yes, no; but eu, as in euphemism might[1]. Heureka! In other news, what does si in greek letters look like? "σι"! Pretty close to oi nowadays and Celtic druids are speculated to have visited Greece. That doesn't invalidate the "this there" story, but maybe pre…

> I wonder, is occitan not related to occident and orient?

Nope!

The orient is where the sun rises and the occident is where the sun sets.

All of these have been traced back to Proto-Indo-European and have different origins:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/orior#Latin

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/occido#Etymology_1

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ob#Latin

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hic#Latin

Edit: the eu- also has a different PIE etymology.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B5%E1%BD%96#Ancient_Greek

Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read the article, this is a pattern in a number of languages, so there's no reason for it to come from French. It's also unlikely because the pronunciation is very different: https://forvo.com/word/oi/#ca

Catalonia borders France and has some similarities though.

Bordering with French is a newer phenomenon, though. Catalonia has traditionally bordered Occitan-speaking territories to the North so it has way more influence from Occitan than from French.

Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages

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Loved that pun from Baudolino by Umberto Eco: "I know, Master Niketas, that the center of the universe is your city here, but the world is vaster than your empire, and there's even Ultima Thule and the land of Hibernians. True, compared to Constantinople, Rome is a pile of ruins and Paris is a muddy village, but even there something happens every now and then. In many vast, vast regions of the world people don't spea…

> Paris is a muddy village

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutetia#Etymology

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