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Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by _m8fo »

martinald wrote: post #26

I have to say I think Mozilla is a complete shambles of an organisation. It must be one of the richest charities in the world with the billions of dollars of commission it earns from search from Google et al. I can't actually believe this is something they're excited to post a blog about. Charity with 9 figures revenue is hiring a developer (finally) to work on a product which has 25 million users. I think Mozilla's…

To piggyback off this how does their corporate structure work? Mozilla Foundation, 501(c)(3) owns a for-profit wholly? What is the purpose or advantage of this organization?

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by miles »

martinald wrote: post #26

I have to say I think Mozilla is a complete shambles of an organisation. It must be one of the richest charities in the world with the billions of dollars of commission it earns from search from Google et al. I can't actually believe this is something they're excited to post a blog about. Charity with 9 figures revenue is hiring a developer (finally) to work on a product which has 25 million users. I think Mozilla's…

> It must be one of the richest charities in the world with the billions of dollars of commission it earns from search from Google et al.

It's not even in the top 20 of U.S.-based charities:

Mozilla’s consolidated reported revenue (Mozilla Foundation, Mozilla Corporation and all subsidiaries) for CY 2016 was $520M (US), as compared to $421M in 2015.[0]

The Largest U.S. Charities For 2016[1]

1. United Way Worldwide, $3.708 billion.

2. Task Force for Global Health, $3.154 billion.

3. Feeding America, $2.150 billion.

...

20. American Heart Association, $634 million.

[0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2016/

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/williampbarrett/2016/12/14/the-...

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by pvg »

jordigh wrote: post #7

Huh, I was going to post this story, but I thought it was not allowed because it's a job posting and I had to wait until the Who is Hiring thread. So, if posting jobs for working on free applications is ok outside of Who Is Hiring, let me try to advertise this job for another free email client, Mailpile, which got killed when I tried to post it earlier: https://www.mailpile.is/jobs/ I currently use Evolution for emai…

If you think something is a bad post, you can flag it and/or mail the mods. It shouldn't be too confusing that making your own bad post isn't the optimal response.

For what it's worth, I agree with you this thing is a bad post - it's just a job ad. You can try to divine what Mozilla's Thunderbird plans are from it but that's true for lots of job ads, they're still job ads. An article about Mozilla's actual Thunderbird plans could be a good article, even if it had links to job ads.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by tkone »

jordigh wrote: post #24
FroshKiller wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thunderbird is a popular mail client that has at times had a pretty uncertain future. I imagine that azdle posted this less as a notification of a job listing and more as a sign that Thunderbird is going to stick around and evolve. That's the difference.

I see. Those things, except for the popularity, also apply to Mailpile. I guess that's the big difference.

The Mozilla foundation is also a registered 501(c)(3). Is Mailpile? I don't see anything about that on your page?

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by mconley »

This title is inaccurate. Mozilla is _not_ hiring a developer to work on Thunderbird full-time. See below:

From the post:

" The Thunderbird Project is hiring for a software engineer!

...

Please note that while the Thunderbird project is a group of individuals separate from the Mozilla Foundation that works to further the Thunderbird email client, the Mozilla Foundation is the Project’s fiscal home. The Thunderbird Council, separate from Mozilla, manages the Project and will direct the software engineer’s work."

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by dralley »

jordigh wrote: post #32
martinald wrote: post #26

I have to say I think Mozilla is a complete shambles of an organisation. It must be one of the richest charities in the world with the billions of dollars of commission it earns from search from Google et al. I can't actually believe this is something they're excited to post a blog about. Charity with 9 figures revenue is hiring a developer (finally) to work on a product which has 25 million users. I think Mozilla's…

Is it a charity? It's the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation. Despite some explanations I've received, I've never quite understood how the money flows there. I suppose I could look up their financial statements, but my understanding is that if you donate money to Mozilla, it won't be directly used for developing software.

Correct. If you donate money it goes directly to the Mozilla Foundation, whereas it is the Mozilla Corporation who hires developers to work on Firefox, etc.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by sp332 »

adjagu wrote: post #9
tomc1985 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! XUL is really cool. Still one of my favorite GUI kits. It is like electron (but actually native!) and had a good reason to be slow (spidermonkey wasn't super fast) :( XPCOM kinda sucked but it is still better than MS COM

I miss the old easter eggs Firefox had. https://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.x...

about:mozilla still works.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by sp332 »

tomc1985 wrote: post #6
carussell wrote: post #4

The most important thing here is that there's now a serious plan in place to move Thunderbird off of XUL and XPCOM. If Thunderbird builds can happen without incurring the expense of building Gecko (and there's no reason that shouldn't be the ultimate goal), then community contributions in the form of code changes would likely increase several times over.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! XUL is really cool. Still one of my favorite GUI kits. It is like electron (but actually native!) and had a good reason to be slow (spidermonkey wasn't super fast) :( XPCOM kinda sucked but it is still better than MS COM

It's not that XUL was bad, exactly. But priorities have changed to security, battery life, and multi-threaded performance. The weight of XUL cruft that has built up over time was holding the project back.
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