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Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Post by blinkingled »

raverbashing wrote: post #6
diego_moita wrote: post #5

He was presenting Azure and the browser was enable to parse a XmlHttpRequest. It could be an error on the browser or on the server side application. Because he is on the server side team he blamed the browser. Rule #1 of pointing fingers: it's always someone else's fault.

From the comments on the article, it could also have been a beta version of Edge

The presenter said it could be because the work laptops are locked down quite a bit. (GPOs to disallow some browser features is not uncommon in corporations at all.)

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Post by [deleted] »

nvr219 wrote: post #35
MattSteelblade wrote: post #8

From the presenter's comments, it sounds like a GPO locked down Edge. In that context, it makes sense to immediately install another browser and Chrome is the market leader.

If GPO is locking down Edge, but not preventing you from installing another browser, it's a bad GPO...

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Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Post by tw04 »

schlipity wrote: post #33
tyingq wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge for Android and iOS is an interesting move: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/10/05/annou... I like the role reversal where an MS browser on a Google OS might have merit...like being able to run ad blocking extensions.

It's a good bit ludicrous that they are providing Edge for IOS / Android but not for previous versions of Windows. My life as a programmer would be better if I didn't have to support IE11 / Windows 7, but instead of doing that, they spent some time getting it running where no one wants it.

Mainstream support for Windows 7 ended in 2015. Do you also want them to support edge on Android 4.3? Or are you a little more pragmatic in expecting users to update more than once every 7 years?

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Post by notl4wy3r »

Klathmon wrote: post #37
forgot-my-pw wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only Microsoft lets older Windows to install Edge. Yet they are stuck with IE. The only way to use Edge is to upgrade to Windows 10.

IIRC it's because the APIs that Edge uses are only in 10.

That's all well and good, but somehow every other browser manages to run on Windows versions before 10. It's kinda bad that Edge cannot.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Post by Klathmon »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #38
Klathmon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've talked to some people on the team who works on Edge, and they are a fantastic group of people. They know they are in an uphill battle, and everyone is writing them off, but they are doing damn good work. Edge's performance is getting leaps and bounds faster every update, they are doing incredible things for battery life on many devices, they are catching up to google for web API support, and nobody is taking the…

I would take them significantly more seriously if they open sourced the browser. All of their accomplishments may be impressive but it's a moot point if they're all being kept to themselves.

They are getting there. They already open sourced their js engine [0] and some parts of the rendering engine like the WebGL stuff [1].

I remember reading that it's a goal of them that they want to open source it, but it's not an overnight process.

[0] https://github.com/Microsoft/ChakraCore

[1] https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/WebGL

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Post by Klathmon »

notl4wy3r wrote: post #44
Klathmon wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC it's because the APIs that Edge uses are only in 10.

That's all well and good, but somehow every other browser manages to run on Windows versions before 10. It's kinda bad that Edge cannot.

But it's a goal of those browsers to run cross-platform, it's explicitly not a goal of Edge.

Just like how it's not a valid criticism to say that it's bad that Boeing can't make cars. They aren't trying to...

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Post by WorldMaker »

forgot-my-pw wrote: post #28
Klathmon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've talked to some people on the team who works on Edge, and they are a fantastic group of people. They know they are in an uphill battle, and everyone is writing them off, but they are doing damn good work. Edge's performance is getting leaps and bounds faster every update, they are doing incredible things for battery life on many devices, they are catching up to google for web API support, and nobody is taking the…

If only Microsoft lets older Windows to install Edge. Yet they are stuck with IE. The only way to use Edge is to upgrade to Windows 10.

Windows 7 is already out mainstream support and has only 3 years more of security patches. Unless you are telling me you are one of the very few people still on Windows 8.1, now is as good of a time as any to plan for a migration to Windows 10.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

Klathmon wrote: post #45
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would take them significantly more seriously if they open sourced the browser. All of their accomplishments may be impressive but it's a moot point if they're all being kept to themselves.

They are getting there. They already open sourced their js engine [0] and some parts of the rendering engine like the WebGL stuff [1]. I remember reading that it's a goal of them that they want to open source it, but it's not an overnight process. [0] https://github.com/Microsoft/ChakraCore [1] https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/WebGL

ChakraCore is definitely a step in the right direction. Kudos for that.

Their WebGL thing isn't, though. That's just a code dump, a year outdated, with no history. It's still developed in private and isn't getting updates.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Post by nogbit »

notl4wy3r wrote: post #44
Klathmon wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC it's because the APIs that Edge uses are only in 10.

That's all well and good, but somehow every other browser manages to run on Windows versions before 10. It's kinda bad that Edge cannot.

It's kinda bad that Edge cannot run on multiple platforms, until that happens it will keep getting the same (or less) use.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Post by rk06 »

manigandham wrote: post #22
revmoo wrote: post #15

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> nobody is taking them seriously Because it's 2017 and I'm STILL having to write workarounds for IE.

This is absolutely valid criticism. Of course the devteam is "good people", but the issue remains that Edge created yet another browser fork while IE11 is still around and actively used. Also Edge is still behind with several features (like server-sent events). For those saying Edge is different than IE, is there even an IE team anymore or did they just become the Edge team now? Either way the development strategy is…

And let's not forget the worst thing about this: __Edge can't be installed on windows 8.1 or less__

By far, this is stopping most users from leaving IE.

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