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Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by ams6110 »

Pulcinella wrote: post #33
80211 wrote: post #31

It's mostly obesity. If we allowed for obesity as a reason to deny health coverage, then health innsurance would be affordable. And since it costs nothing to lose weight, it seems fair.

If we allowed for bad opinions as a reason to deny health coverage, then health insurance would be affordable. And since it costs nothing to post better, it seems fair.

No need to go full denial. Insurance is priced according to risk. If I've got a record of accidents and traffic violations then my car insurance costs more. If I'm 100 lbs overweight and hypertensive then life insurance costs more. Medical insurance can be priced the same way, creating incentives to maintain a healthy weight and diet.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by mazamats »

acalderaro wrote: post #15

Possible reasons: Diet (any non-red meat eating diet for nutrient deficiencies, or too much meat due to reliance on fast food), drug/stimulant use (YOLO culture?), More sedentary lifestyle (Desk jobs, social media for 'entertainment'), Lack of resources to take time off from work (too many hours + high rents = no time/money to do have non-home hobbies) The interesting statistic was the urban regions were less pronoun…

What does not consuming red-meat have to do with anything? Consumption of red meat is at an all time high and is growing every year.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by myth_drannon »

ThomPete wrote: post #21
danenania wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not vegan, but the counterargument I've heard is that an unbalanced omnivore diet can also lead to deficiencies/nutrition problems, and that actually the average vegan diet is more balanced overall than the average omnivore diet, so it's unfair to single out vegans when eating a healthy and varied diet is a challenge for everyone. In other words, you should probably be just as worried about your non-vegan friends…

How can a vegan diet be more balanced? It lacks diversity which as far as I understand is the primary foundation for good healthy diet. Many different things in not too much quantity.

For example milk (calcium) prevents iron absorption, so you might say a person eats meats hence his diet is balanced and rich in iron but he will suffer from iron defiency if too much milk is consumed. Also there is no natural source of B12 in commercial farm meat and fish since they are not grass fed and not ocean plankton fed. But the feed they get does have B12 exactly like a proper vegan diet where the person takes pills .

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by chimeracoder »

screye wrote: post #30
simonsarris wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Various deficiencies are definitely a problem in my friend population, where many of them are vegans. The vegan diet is a diet of deficiencies, and since none of them are particularly careful about what they eat, I worry that it is making them all worse off. Iron and B12 may be the most obvious, but also D3, calcium, zing, animal based nutrients like creatine, and I'm sure others. Unfortunately, this becomes a touchy…

This is surprising to me, as in India a large part of the population is vegetarian. We don't seem to be susceptible to the same problems. The move away from Milk products & Eggs seems to open a huge nutrient gap that the vegan population hasn't adequately identified how to fill.

> This is surprising to me, as in India a large part of the population is vegetarian. We don't seem to be susceptible to the same problems.

In India, vegetarians typically do eat dairy products (although not eggs). Dairy doesn't contain a ton of iron and cobalamin (vitamin B12), but it's a non-negligible amount, and it's possible that that alone accounts for the difference. Remember that vegetarians in India also eat a ton of lentils, which are a great source of iron when consumed in large quantities.

(While it's hard to ingest the full daily recommended amount of each from dairy products alone, an otherwise-healthy individual can make do with a lot less than the recommended levels without developing anemia).

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by Symmetry »

sotojuan wrote: post #5
shams93 wrote: post #4

Sleep deprivation is known to cause strokes, take a look at how many millennials are expected to put in 80-100 hours for a 40 hour check , extreme high competition overtime just to hold onto their seat.

OK, ready to get out of my bubble. How true is this? The only people I know that work more than 40 hours a week still work less than 60. This is in "office", food, and service jobs.

I know a lot of grad students who had lives like that.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by dorgo »

richardknop wrote: post #25
shams93 wrote: post #4

Sleep deprivation is known to cause strokes, take a look at how many millennials are expected to put in 80-100 hours for a 40 hour check , extreme high competition overtime just to hold onto their seat.

Any data to back this up? I'm a millennial and know plenty other millennials and they usually put 35-40h per week as is standard in Europe.

20h for me in germany :-P

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by pcl »

mazamats wrote: post #42
acalderaro wrote: post #15

Possible reasons: Diet (any non-red meat eating diet for nutrient deficiencies, or too much meat due to reliance on fast food), drug/stimulant use (YOLO culture?), More sedentary lifestyle (Desk jobs, social media for 'entertainment'), Lack of resources to take time off from work (too many hours + high rents = no time/money to do have non-home hobbies) The interesting statistic was the urban regions were less pronoun…

What does not consuming red-meat have to do with anything? Consumption of red meat is at an all time high and is growing every year.

According to another comment here, iron deficiency is a common cause of strokes in younger people. Diets low in red meat often lead to iron deficiency. (Of course, this can be addressed with a supplement, but not everyone who avoids red meat also takes iron supplements.)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14683737

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by dataisfun »

galois198 wrote: post #35

From what I understand, strokes are caused by the same thing heart attacks are - atherosclerotic plaques, and APs are caused by high blood cholesterol - APs are literally constituted of cholesterol/foam cells. Has the consensus changed?

More commonly from dissections of the internal or external carotid or vertebral arteries, which for some bizarre reasons happens less as you age.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by chimeracoder »

myth_drannon wrote: post #43
ThomPete wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can a vegan diet be more balanced? It lacks diversity which as far as I understand is the primary foundation for good healthy diet. Many different things in not too much quantity.

For example milk (calcium) prevents iron absorption, so you might say a person eats meats hence his diet is balanced and rich in iron but he will suffer from iron defiency if too much milk is consumed. Also there is no natural source of B12 in commercial farm meat and fish since they are not grass fed and not ocean plankton fed. But the feed they get does have B12 exactly like a proper vegan diet where the person tak…

> For example milk (calcium) prevents iron absorption, so you might say a person eats meats hence his diet is balanced and rich in iron but he will suffer from iron efficiency if too much milk is consumed

Calcium can inhibit iron absorption, but not to this degree. A typical healthy individual will still be able to absorb iron from dairy products, because dairy products themselves contain iron. Where it becomes a problem is for people who are already anemic.

Remember that the body doesn't need very much iron in the first place, since it's capable of recycling it. It only needs to replace the small amount that's lost in this cycle. And furthermore, the body's absorption of iron is already pretty inefficient, so the effects of naturally-occurring calcium in dairy aren't this extreme.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Post by cmpxchg8b »

paulddraper wrote: post #9
sotojuan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, ready to get out of my bubble. How true is this? The only people I know that work more than 40 hours a week still work less than 60. This is in "office", food, and service jobs.

I know people that would work 80 hour weeks. They were engineers in the gaming industry and a couple crunch weeks were not uncommon. But that's a really specific situation for a short period of time.

I starting working in games in the early 2000s. The first game I worked on (Black & White) had me working 16-20 hour days, 6-7 days a week for 9 months. It destroyed my health and turned me into an agoraphobic for at least a year, with related conditions lasting much longer. I've seen people have to check into mental health institutions after shipping games.

At one place I worked, there was a "crack board", where they would have sweepstakes on who was going to come apart at the seams and lose it. Who knew mental health issues could be so fun? "lol".

Needless to say I no longer work in games, it has done damage to my body and psyche for very little return..

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